Cambo_Dai

Jan 11, 08 - 12:17 PM

Churchill Way and Adam Street

The following Echo article gives more details on these schemes:

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/01/11/changing-face-of-your-city-91466-20338414/

It provides more detail that we've had to date - are there further documents available on the council website that we're not aware of or do they get info off the council (it says the developers were unavailable to comment).

Anyway both seem sizeable developments. Here are the descriptions from the articles:

"Ivor Holdings has submitted an outline application for the Churchill Way site currently housing offices, shops, a pub and a car park. It wants to build 155 private apartments, a hotel, offices and shops with an atrium entrance."
It seems they'll be demolishing the David Street Car Park, and the old Rapport building. Its pretty big, unfortunately no mention of height, but I like the sound of "atrium entrance" if its done properly with good glazing.

The second scheme is described thus:
"This would be developed in two phases, with new buildings up to 20 storeys high. It would include hundreds of student apartments, shops or bars and restaurants, and a 200-bed hotel with conference facilities and offices."

This seems significantly bigger than the first scheme proposed by the SD2 developers - although now theres no car park in the scheme. I'd hope for a couple of shops, and a couple of bar-cum-restaurants, given its location. I also hope this development has a significantly improved bridge over the railway into the proposed Tyndall Street development. It could be a great link from the eastern side of the city centre to the Atlantic Wharf area.

Cardiff Ian

Jan 11th, 2008 - 12:27 PM

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The Churchill Way proposals sound very interesting. Personally, I would like to see something along the lines of the Mailbox development in Birmingham which is a true mixed use scheme:

http://www.mailboxlife.com/

Kyle

Jan 11th, 2008 - 12:57 PM

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Both developments sound very positive. The city centre is really starting to grow outwards. It's also nice to see more homes being created in the city centre.

A link to the Tyndall Street development would be a good idea...it would also be nice to see something happening with that. Does anybody have any news on it ?

Me

Jan 11th, 2008 - 1:23 PM

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No doubt I will get shouted at for saying this, but I quite like the old Rapport building. A bit of a tidy and it could look good! And add a bit of age to an area that could start to look too new...

But if the design for the new build is good then i'll support it...

Karl

Jan 11th, 2008 - 2:00 PM

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I quite like the Rapport building. I think it's a bit of a mongrel with the rear being a victorian warehouse type building and the front being classic 50/60's. I'll be sad to see Traders Tavern aka the Panorama go as well.

Having said that this area needs perking up a bit and if the replacement is good quality, mixed use (and better than the renders for the awful Marcol Court proposed a few years ago) I won't be chaining myself to the bulldozers. I wouldn't be too concerned about that part of town being too new - Charles St, Churchill Way are adjacent and Guidlford Crescent is across the way. Perhaps it may persuade Ibis to give the hotel a makeover.

I would have thought Ivor Holdings would be seeking planning with a view to passing it on to a developer as in the case of the proposed Tyndall St development.

Wizard

Jan 11th, 2008 - 2:59 PM

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I like the Ivor House building too. It must be saved!

Kyle

Jan 11th, 2008 - 3:50 PM

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I've noticed that Paul has added something to the development page news section regarding both these developments. Does anyone know where the picture has come from so that I can have a closer look ? Is it the original proposals that some of you on the forum have been talking about or new pictures ?

Hypercelt

Jan 11th, 2008 - 5:40 PM

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I hope the Vulcan can be moved to St Fagans - something rumoured about for years. My worry would be that such an idea would be ruled out because dismantling it for that purpose would take too long for a future developer to stomach.

DRJones

Jan 11th, 2008 - 6:00 PM

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Would be brilliant if the Vulcan went to St Fagans, it would complete the original idea of the museum of having a pub. It's not in any major way of the future developments there, so hopefully the developers can bare with it.

DaiB

Jan 11th, 2008 - 6:07 PM

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The picture on the front page was in the Echo today - it's the Churchill Way development. It looks like a fairly basic massing model more than anything - I hope so anyway! Although, even if it was the pile of shoeboxes suggested in the picture, it would be better than that last Marcol Court proposal which was truly, depressingly unambitious.

Ian, Bridgend

Jan 11th, 2008 - 6:35 PM

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All removals to St Fagan's are subject to the demands on the permanently building team there, because they do it all. There aren't many of them and they have to fit in systematic and occasional maintenance of all the other 40 or so buildings on site. A pub is a big undertaking but nothing like as demanding as the magnificent Llandeilo Talybont Church moved from Pontardulais.As far as I know they're preoccupied with the next two acquisitions - a police station from Taff's Well and a Tudor Merchant's house from Haverfordwest. It'll be years before they can add a pub, I would think.

James

Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:05 AM

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A planning app was submitted in January for a pretty tall, and very attractive (in my opinion) set of towers on the current site of the blessed Vulcan pub on Adam street.

I can't recall this being discussed on here or on SkyscraperCity..have we missed it, or am I going mad?!

\\Cccnas2\replanningportal\DCImages\DCApps\Central\applications\0703012C\Proposed Views A3.pdf

wizard

Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:08 AM

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James, could you print the full link?

Alec-Radyr

Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:18 AM

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ditto! sounds good!

URBANO

Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:26 AM

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James- is that the correct link- can't seem to get anything

James

Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:27 AM

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It's from the planning pages of the council. Not sure how these would be accessed externally.

07/03012/C is the app number. type it into google, ajnd things should pop up.

DaiB

Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:40 AM

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That looks fantastic to my eyes. It shouldn’t, but it does. Must be something to do with the slender proportions. Will look good alongside the Radisson development methinks.

URBANO

Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:47 AM

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Still can't find it.

I share the views on Ivor House; just seems like a bit of old(er) Cardiff going ( like the bus station buildng).

Great shame about the Vulcan.I've always had mixed feelings about St Fagans. Isn't there really something nafff about ripping up historic buildings from their original site (with all the traditions and associations there )and plonking them into what is....er.....really...just a theme park.Especially when what replaces them is ( not always, but often) identikit tat, or a road scheme or something.

Kyle

Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:48 AM

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I remember reading the planning apps. on this thread back in January but have seen nothing since on the Adam Street or Churchill Way schemes.

On Skyscrapercity forum the same image for Adam St. is in the Cardiff - Full Summary of projects thread as part of the very first post. However, this post is from 2006 and it was three towers of 11, 13 and 13 storeys...doesn't sound as grand as what you seem to be describing.

On Skyscrapernews.com the only thing under Adam Street is the the same images as the forum.

Kyle

Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:50 AM

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DaiB, where have you seen this on the internet. I can't seem to find it ?

jantra

Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:55 AM

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DaiB has probably seen it on the intranet...thats not an external link its a server link so if you don't have access to the server you'll never see the .pdf.

Can anyone in the council post the .pdf up here...

DaiB

Apr 11th, 2008 - 12:05 PM

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Yeah - it's a council server link. It may not be available externally until it goes to the planning committee for consideration.

Kyle

Apr 11th, 2008 - 1:12 PM

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James/DaiB, I appreciate why you can't post images if they haven't been released for public consumption yet but could you describe what you have seen in terms of height etc. ?

jantra

Apr 11th, 2008 - 1:29 PM

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Kyle

seems like we have an inner circle

on cardiffwalesmap.com

Kyle

Apr 11th, 2008 - 1:34 PM

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James

Apr 11th, 2008 - 1:34 PM

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19 storey...two slim, slender white towers, with what looks like offices on the ground-fifth floors. Significantly taller than Ty pont Haern.

Best looking tower proposals that I have seen for Cardiff IMO.

Kyle

Apr 11th, 2008 - 1:45 PM

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Sounds promising...can't wait to see them.

DaiB

Apr 11th, 2008 - 1:56 PM

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Well, once an application has been submitted this stuff is theoretically in the public domain, so with James’ permission I’d be happy to post them later if someone can remind me how to post pics on this forum. I don't THINK I can lose my job for that...

In description – substantial podium, two towers 20+ storeys, white but with what looks like Atrium style cladding rather than render. Both slender – a little bulkier than Radisson. Balconies all the way up, smallish windows but laid out in an interesting way.

jantra

Apr 11th, 2008 - 2:11 PM

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ooooh!

sounds very nice...really finish off Bute Terrace that will...5 20+ buildings on one street....

London-David

Apr 11th, 2008 - 2:16 PM

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A sizeable Loosemore homes app for Pontcanna this time:

Applicant: Loosemore Home, 1 Pontcanna Street, Cardiff,
Proposal: ERECTION 128 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND 60 BED NURSING HOME CONTAINED WITHIN NEW
BUILD (MAX 4 STOREYS) AND EXISTING NURSING HOME BUILDINGS (MAX 5 STOREYS).
CONSTRUCTION OF NEW 36 CAR PARK SUB BASEMENT. DEMOLITION OF EXISTING
BUILDINGS DEEMED DETRIMENTAL TO THE SITE AS PER THE ACCOMPANYING DESIGN AND
ACCESS STATEMENT
At: Site of St. Winefride's Nursing Home, Romilly Crescent, Riverside, Cardiff

Its been listed as "delegated" decision - which I think unlikely. I understand the desire to reduce car dependency, partly with the stick of providing fewer spaces in developments, but 35 spaces for 128 residential units and a 60 bed nursing home seems rather low, even if much of the accomodation is targeted at the elderly as seems likely to be the case. I would suggest rather more parking is needed when you take account of visitors, staff etc.

Andrew

Apr 11th, 2008 - 2:35 PM

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Wow, sounds great. Looking forward to seeing it! Resi I presume, any more student accomodation?

Jonathan

Apr 11th, 2008 - 3:09 PM

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This is driving me nuts not being able to see the proposal!!

URBANO

Apr 11th, 2008 - 3:27 PM

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Could someone tell Dai B how to post pics.

elgdav

Apr 11th, 2008 - 3:35 PM

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He needs to upload them to a hosting website like Flickr and then use < img src="image location url"/> to link to the image from here.

Andrew

Apr 11th, 2008 - 3:35 PM

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Not the same one but not far off, plans for a small development next to Atrium are shown on page 114 of the 'Schedule of Planning Applications' found here:
http://www.cardiff.gov.uk/content.asp?nav=2872%2C3250%2C3251%2C4892&parent_directory_id=2865&id=1509

jantra

Apr 11th, 2008 - 3:56 PM

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Andrew

can you check that link please...doesn't seem to go to where you suggest it might

Karl

Apr 11th, 2008 - 4:00 PM

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Cambo

Loosemores tend to specialise in 'trendy' apartments. They are behind a couple of ultra medoern developments in Pontcanna and are behind the proposed development in Bute St on the site of Dixie cabs. I'd be very suprised if they were moving into homes for the elderly.

St Winifreds used to be a Catholic care home and is housed in what is a very nice 1930's brick building but has been empty for a good few years now. Thats where the confusion may be. Also Loosemores seems to be interested in smaller, niche developments so I'd be suprised if they were putting together something that big. Agree that the car parking is inadequate but I'm sure I've read that residential developments in Cardiff must have a certain ratio of car parking spaces to units. Even if this is incorrect I couldn't see the planning officer allowing this through given that it would ultimately lead to parking in nearby overcrowded streets. Perhaps there has been a mistake and it's 56 units rather than 126?

Kyle

Apr 11th, 2008 - 4:02 PM

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Jantra, I've gone from where the link takes you to the Planning Committee link, from there to '16 April 2008' and then take the second link to 'Schedule of planning applications' which should open up a PDF file.

On the page with the final link, if you copy the URL into another explorer window it takes you right back to the start again which is weird. I just think the link is dodgy.

DaiB

Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:00 PM

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Well, on the basis that James tried to post a link, I'm assuming he won't mind...

< img src="http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/DaiB_photo/?action=view¤t=AdamSt1.jpg"/>

< img src="http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/DaiB_photo/?action=view¤t=AdamSt2.jpg"/>

< img src="http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/DaiB_photo/?action=view¤t=AdamSt3.jpg"/>

< img src="http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/DaiB_photo/?action=view¤t=AdamSt4.jpg"/>

DaiB

Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:02 PM

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paul-cardiff

Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:20 PM

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Wow!! we'll have a bit of that eh!! Only trouble is they'll just have to go on my list of... when the **** is it going to happen!!! no clues for guessing what's on top of my ever lengthening list!!

stals

Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:36 PM

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Looks good, will really add bulk to the area...any idea on the height?

Alec-Radyr

Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:44 PM

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wow, good job guys!

very interesting, they should match up with the atrium well. I think i like the design of them, they do look like some stacked razor blades or harmonicas.. but i like them!

Spence

Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:47 PM

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Yep, pretty impressive. Unless it gets put on hold due to the credit crunch or stagnating property market, I think this is likely to face very few hurdles. I mean the area of town it's in is hardly attractive in the historic sense, it's relatively under used considering its location in the city centre and theres very few people living around there apart from in the high rises on Bute Terrace. And given its neighbour is Ty Pont Haern, I doubt the students are going to kick up a fuss about light deprivation and wind tunnels. Roll on the great skyscraper race! That's what it'll hopefully turn out to be with this, Harlech Court, Capitol Centre, Seren, Havannah Quay, Cambrian Marina and Bay Pointe.

Hypercelt

Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:55 PM

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The last render is superb - a very exciting and inviting perspective.

Kyle

Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:57 PM

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Drool drool drool

They may not be much above 20 storeys but I really like the designs. I particularly like the last shot looking towards the other tall buildings in the area. Also, looking down Churchill Way is good. Someone email skyscrapernews to get them on there !

As Paul said, all they have to do now is start building. Still, it says alot that we even have all these proposed projects.

paul-cardiff

Apr 11th, 2008 - 6:09 PM

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It worries me that the number 163 bus to penarth runs down adam street

so we can therefore expect plenty of opposition to these developments!!!!

Andrew

Apr 12th, 2008 - 12:12 AM

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"Someone email skyscrapernews to get them on there !"
No need, I'm the Wales editor for Skyscrapernews.

Can you give me some more info on them though like exact height and no of stories, developer, architect, official name of the scheme, lan uses?

des - penarth

Apr 12th, 2008 - 8:57 AM

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I think that if the Rapport and Adam Street developments really come to be, then there will be a sizable area of tallish buildings from the Marriot all the way to Newport Road and if the Glass Needle is also brought on-line, then that area will be quite large, looking towards Cardiff from Penarth, the Bute Terrace buildings are already quite prominent. Talking of views, I think these developments along with whatever happens in the Sports village, will impact on the view of the city as seen from the Somerset coast. At the minute, you need to go to the end of Weston pier, stick a coin in the telescope to be able to see any structures in Cardiff, unless its sort of early evening when its dark enough for the building lights to be on and early enough for the buildings to be populated. I would have loved to have seen the ISV buidlings constructed to full height, from Weston they would have appeared to be just poking above Penarth Head, wonderful!!

Still, we have to live with what we've got I suppose and I'm still very optimistic that Cardiff is going in the right direction. Now when the ISV towers are built, where do I park me combine harvester?

Zach

Apr 12th, 2008 - 10:25 AM

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Renders look good. I can see the recently built TA centre being demolised in a few years as skyscrapers creep east!
Why do they all have to be built together, I know it gives bulk and all that. IMO they only look impressive when there is contrast. Developers/Planner all want to be safe.
I stayed in Melbourne a few years ago, my excitment at being on the 24th floor was deminished when the view all round were other 24th floor windows

Andrew

Apr 12th, 2008 - 11:03 AM

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I doubt the TA centre will be gone very soon. Look at the render, there's still half the Adam Street car park left to build on, and if the proposal for that bit of land is the same scale as this one there could be rediculous numbers of flats on Adam Street.

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Cambo_Dai Jan 11, 08 - 12:17 PM	Churchill Way and Adam Street The following Echo article gives more details on these schemes: http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/01/11/changing-face-of-your-city-91466-20338414/ It provides more detail that we've had to date - are there further documents available on the council website that we're not aware of or do they get info off the council (it says the developers were unavailable to comment). Anyway both seem sizeable developments. Here are the descriptions from the articles: "Ivor Holdings has submitted an outline application for the Churchill Way site currently housing offices, shops, a pub and a car park. It wants to build 155 private apartments, a hotel, offices and shops with an atrium entrance." It seems they'll be demolishing the David Street Car Park, and the old Rapport building. Its pretty big, unfortunately no mention of height, but I like the sound of "atrium entrance" if its done properly with good glazing. The second scheme is described thus: "This would be developed in two phases, with new buildings up to 20 storeys high. It would include hundreds of student apartments, shops or bars and restaurants, and a 200-bed hotel with conference facilities and offices." This seems significantly bigger than the first scheme proposed by the SD2 developers - although now theres no car park in the scheme. I'd hope for a couple of shops, and a couple of bar-cum-restaurants, given its location. I also hope this development has a significantly improved bridge over the railway into the proposed Tyndall Street development. It could be a great link from the eastern side of the city centre to the Atlantic Wharf area.
Cardiff Ian Jan 11th, 2008 - 12:27 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street The Churchill Way proposals sound very interesting. Personally, I would like to see something along the lines of the Mailbox development in Birmingham which is a true mixed use scheme: http://www.mailboxlife.com/
Kyle Jan 11th, 2008 - 12:57 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Both developments sound very positive. The city centre is really starting to grow outwards. It's also nice to see more homes being created in the city centre. A link to the Tyndall Street development would be a good idea...it would also be nice to see something happening with that. Does anybody have any news on it ?
Me Jan 11th, 2008 - 1:23 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street No doubt I will get shouted at for saying this, but I quite like the old Rapport building. A bit of a tidy and it could look good! And add a bit of age to an area that could start to look too new... But if the design for the new build is good then i'll support it...
Karl Jan 11th, 2008 - 2:00 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street I quite like the Rapport building. I think it's a bit of a mongrel with the rear being a victorian warehouse type building and the front being classic 50/60's. I'll be sad to see Traders Tavern aka the Panorama go as well. Having said that this area needs perking up a bit and if the replacement is good quality, mixed use (and better than the renders for the awful Marcol Court proposed a few years ago) I won't be chaining myself to the bulldozers. I wouldn't be too concerned about that part of town being too new - Charles St, Churchill Way are adjacent and Guidlford Crescent is across the way. Perhaps it may persuade Ibis to give the hotel a makeover. I would have thought Ivor Holdings would be seeking planning with a view to passing it on to a developer as in the case of the proposed Tyndall St development. Email: thomask1969@hotmail.com
Wizard Jan 11th, 2008 - 2:59 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street I like the Ivor House building too. It must be saved!
Kyle Jan 11th, 2008 - 3:50 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street I've noticed that Paul has added something to the development page news section regarding both these developments. Does anyone know where the picture has come from so that I can have a closer look ? Is it the original proposals that some of you on the forum have been talking about or new pictures ?
Hypercelt Jan 11th, 2008 - 5:40 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street I hope the Vulcan can be moved to St Fagans - something rumoured about for years. My worry would be that such an idea would be ruled out because dismantling it for that purpose would take too long for a future developer to stomach.
DRJones Jan 11th, 2008 - 6:00 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Would be brilliant if the Vulcan went to St Fagans, it would complete the original idea of the museum of having a pub. It's not in any major way of the future developments there, so hopefully the developers can bare with it.
DaiB Jan 11th, 2008 - 6:07 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street The picture on the front page was in the Echo today - it's the Churchill Way development. It looks like a fairly basic massing model more than anything - I hope so anyway! Although, even if it was the pile of shoeboxes suggested in the picture, it would be better than that last Marcol Court proposal which was truly, depressingly unambitious.
Ian, Bridgend Jan 11th, 2008 - 6:35 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street All removals to St Fagan's are subject to the demands on the permanently building team there, because they do it all. There aren't many of them and they have to fit in systematic and occasional maintenance of all the other 40 or so buildings on site. A pub is a big undertaking but nothing like as demanding as the magnificent Llandeilo Talybont Church moved from Pontardulais.As far as I know they're preoccupied with the next two acquisitions - a police station from Taff's Well and a Tudor Merchant's house from Haverfordwest. It'll be years before they can add a pub, I would think.
James Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:05 AM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street A planning app was submitted in January for a pretty tall, and very attractive (in my opinion) set of towers on the current site of the blessed Vulcan pub on Adam street. I can't recall this being discussed on here or on SkyscraperCity..have we missed it, or am I going mad?! \\Cccnas2\replanningportal\DCImages\DCApps\Central\applications\0703012C\Proposed Views A3.pdf Email: jat_moore@yahoo.co.uk
wizard Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:08 AM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street James, could you print the full link?
Alec-Radyr Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:18 AM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street ditto! sounds good!
URBANO Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:26 AM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street James- is that the correct link- can't seem to get anything
James Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:27 AM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street It's from the planning pages of the council. Not sure how these would be accessed externally. 07/03012/C is the app number. type it into google, ajnd things should pop up. Email: jat_moore@yahoo.co.uk
DaiB Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:40 AM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street That looks fantastic to my eyes. It shouldn’t, but it does. Must be something to do with the slender proportions. Will look good alongside the Radisson development methinks.
URBANO Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:47 AM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Still can't find it. I share the views on Ivor House; just seems like a bit of old(er) Cardiff going ( like the bus station buildng). Great shame about the Vulcan.I've always had mixed feelings about St Fagans. Isn't there really something nafff about ripping up historic buildings from their original site (with all the traditions and associations there )and plonking them into what is....er.....really...just a theme park.Especially when what replaces them is ( not always, but often) identikit tat, or a road scheme or something.
Kyle Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:48 AM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street I remember reading the planning apps. on this thread back in January but have seen nothing since on the Adam Street or Churchill Way schemes. On Skyscrapercity forum the same image for Adam St. is in the Cardiff - Full Summary of projects thread as part of the very first post. However, this post is from 2006 and it was three towers of 11, 13 and 13 storeys...doesn't sound as grand as what you seem to be describing. On Skyscrapernews.com the only thing under Adam Street is the the same images as the forum.
Kyle Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:50 AM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street DaiB, where have you seen this on the internet. I can't seem to find it ?
jantra Apr 11th, 2008 - 11:55 AM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street DaiB has probably seen it on the intranet...thats not an external link its a server link so if you don't have access to the server you'll never see the .pdf. Can anyone in the council post the .pdf up here... Website: http://www.forwardcardiff.co.uk
DaiB Apr 11th, 2008 - 12:05 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Yeah - it's a council server link. It may not be available externally until it goes to the planning committee for consideration.
Kyle Apr 11th, 2008 - 1:12 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street James/DaiB, I appreciate why you can't post images if they haven't been released for public consumption yet but could you describe what you have seen in terms of height etc. ?
jantra Apr 11th, 2008 - 1:29 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Kyle seems like we have an inner circle on cardiffwalesmap.com Website: http://www.forwardcardiff.co.uk
Kyle Apr 11th, 2008 - 1:34 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street
James Apr 11th, 2008 - 1:34 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street 19 storey...two slim, slender white towers, with what looks like offices on the ground-fifth floors. Significantly taller than Ty pont Haern. Best looking tower proposals that I have seen for Cardiff IMO. Email: jat_moore@yahoo.co.uk
Kyle Apr 11th, 2008 - 1:45 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Sounds promising...can't wait to see them.
DaiB Apr 11th, 2008 - 1:56 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Well, once an application has been submitted this stuff is theoretically in the public domain, so with James’ permission I’d be happy to post them later if someone can remind me how to post pics on this forum. I don't THINK I can lose my job for that... In description – substantial podium, two towers 20+ storeys, white but with what looks like Atrium style cladding rather than render. Both slender – a little bulkier than Radisson. Balconies all the way up, smallish windows but laid out in an interesting way.
jantra Apr 11th, 2008 - 2:11 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street ooooh! sounds very nice...really finish off Bute Terrace that will...5 20+ buildings on one street.... Website: http://www.forwardcardiff.co.uk
London-David Apr 11th, 2008 - 2:16 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street A sizeable Loosemore homes app for Pontcanna this time: Applicant: Loosemore Home, 1 Pontcanna Street, Cardiff, Proposal: ERECTION 128 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND 60 BED NURSING HOME CONTAINED WITHIN NEW BUILD (MAX 4 STOREYS) AND EXISTING NURSING HOME BUILDINGS (MAX 5 STOREYS). CONSTRUCTION OF NEW 36 CAR PARK SUB BASEMENT. DEMOLITION OF EXISTING BUILDINGS DEEMED DETRIMENTAL TO THE SITE AS PER THE ACCOMPANYING DESIGN AND ACCESS STATEMENT At: Site of St. Winefride's Nursing Home, Romilly Crescent, Riverside, Cardiff Its been listed as "delegated" decision - which I think unlikely. I understand the desire to reduce car dependency, partly with the stick of providing fewer spaces in developments, but 35 spaces for 128 residential units and a 60 bed nursing home seems rather low, even if much of the accomodation is targeted at the elderly as seems likely to be the case. I would suggest rather more parking is needed when you take account of visitors, staff etc. Email: fluffysheepwa@hotmail.com
Andrew Apr 11th, 2008 - 2:35 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Wow, sounds great. Looking forward to seeing it! Resi I presume, any more student accomodation?
Jonathan Apr 11th, 2008 - 3:09 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street This is driving me nuts not being able to see the proposal!!
URBANO Apr 11th, 2008 - 3:27 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Could someone tell Dai B how to post pics.
elgdav Apr 11th, 2008 - 3:35 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street He needs to upload them to a hosting website like Flickr and then use < img src="image location url"/> to link to the image from here.
Andrew Apr 11th, 2008 - 3:35 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Not the same one but not far off, plans for a small development next to Atrium are shown on page 114 of the 'Schedule of Planning Applications' found here: http://www.cardiff.gov.uk/content.asp?nav=2872%2C3250%2C3251%2C4892&parent_directory_id=2865&id=1509
jantra Apr 11th, 2008 - 3:56 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Andrew can you check that link please...doesn't seem to go to where you suggest it might Website: http://www.forwardcardiff.co.uk
Karl Apr 11th, 2008 - 4:00 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Cambo Loosemores tend to specialise in 'trendy' apartments. They are behind a couple of ultra medoern developments in Pontcanna and are behind the proposed development in Bute St on the site of Dixie cabs. I'd be very suprised if they were moving into homes for the elderly. St Winifreds used to be a Catholic care home and is housed in what is a very nice 1930's brick building but has been empty for a good few years now. Thats where the confusion may be. Also Loosemores seems to be interested in smaller, niche developments so I'd be suprised if they were putting together something that big. Agree that the car parking is inadequate but I'm sure I've read that residential developments in Cardiff must have a certain ratio of car parking spaces to units. Even if this is incorrect I couldn't see the planning officer allowing this through given that it would ultimately lead to parking in nearby overcrowded streets. Perhaps there has been a mistake and it's 56 units rather than 126? Email: thomask1969@hotmail.com
Kyle Apr 11th, 2008 - 4:02 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Jantra, I've gone from where the link takes you to the Planning Committee link, from there to '16 April 2008' and then take the second link to 'Schedule of planning applications' which should open up a PDF file. On the page with the final link, if you copy the URL into another explorer window it takes you right back to the start again which is weird. I just think the link is dodgy.
DaiB Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:00 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Well, on the basis that James tried to post a link, I'm assuming he won't mind... < img src="http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/DaiB_photo/?action=view¤t=AdamSt1.jpg"/> < img src="http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/DaiB_photo/?action=view¤t=AdamSt2.jpg"/> < img src="http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/DaiB_photo/?action=view¤t=AdamSt3.jpg"/> < img src="http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/DaiB_photo/?action=view¤t=AdamSt4.jpg"/>
DaiB Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:02 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street
paul-cardiff Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:20 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Wow!! we'll have a bit of that eh!! Only trouble is they'll just have to go on my list of... when the **** is it going to happen!!! no clues for guessing what's on top of my ever lengthening list!!
stals Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:36 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Looks good, will really add bulk to the area...any idea on the height?
Alec-Radyr Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:44 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street wow, good job guys! very interesting, they should match up with the atrium well. I think i like the design of them, they do look like some stacked razor blades or harmonicas.. but i like them!
Spence Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:47 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Yep, pretty impressive. Unless it gets put on hold due to the credit crunch or stagnating property market, I think this is likely to face very few hurdles. I mean the area of town it's in is hardly attractive in the historic sense, it's relatively under used considering its location in the city centre and theres very few people living around there apart from in the high rises on Bute Terrace. And given its neighbour is Ty Pont Haern, I doubt the students are going to kick up a fuss about light deprivation and wind tunnels. Roll on the great skyscraper race! That's what it'll hopefully turn out to be with this, Harlech Court, Capitol Centre, Seren, Havannah Quay, Cambrian Marina and Bay Pointe.
Hypercelt Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:55 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street The last render is superb - a very exciting and inviting perspective.
Kyle Apr 11th, 2008 - 5:57 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Drool drool drool They may not be much above 20 storeys but I really like the designs. I particularly like the last shot looking towards the other tall buildings in the area. Also, looking down Churchill Way is good. Someone email skyscrapernews to get them on there ! As Paul said, all they have to do now is start building. Still, it says alot that we even have all these proposed projects.
paul-cardiff Apr 11th, 2008 - 6:09 PM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street It worries me that the number 163 bus to penarth runs down adam street so we can therefore expect plenty of opposition to these developments!!!!
Andrew Apr 12th, 2008 - 12:12 AM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street "Someone email skyscrapernews to get them on there !" No need, I'm the Wales editor for Skyscrapernews. Can you give me some more info on them though like exact height and no of stories, developer, architect, official name of the scheme, lan uses?
des - penarth Apr 12th, 2008 - 8:57 AM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street I think that if the Rapport and Adam Street developments really come to be, then there will be a sizable area of tallish buildings from the Marriot all the way to Newport Road and if the Glass Needle is also brought on-line, then that area will be quite large, looking towards Cardiff from Penarth, the Bute Terrace buildings are already quite prominent. Talking of views, I think these developments along with whatever happens in the Sports village, will impact on the view of the city as seen from the Somerset coast. At the minute, you need to go to the end of Weston pier, stick a coin in the telescope to be able to see any structures in Cardiff, unless its sort of early evening when its dark enough for the building lights to be on and early enough for the buildings to be populated. I would have loved to have seen the ISV buidlings constructed to full height, from Weston they would have appeared to be just poking above Penarth Head, wonderful!! Still, we have to live with what we've got I suppose and I'm still very optimistic that Cardiff is going in the right direction. Now when the ISV towers are built, where do I park me combine harvester?
Zach Apr 12th, 2008 - 10:25 AM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street Renders look good. I can see the recently built TA centre being demolised in a few years as skyscrapers creep east! Why do they all have to be built together, I know it gives bulk and all that. IMO they only look impressive when there is contrast. Developers/Planner all want to be safe. I stayed in Melbourne a few years ago, my excitment at being on the 24th floor was deminished when the view all round were other 24th floor windows
Andrew Apr 12th, 2008 - 11:03 AM	Re: Churchill Way and Adam Street I doubt the TA centre will be gone very soon. Look at the render, there's still half the Adam Street car park left to build on, and if the proposal for that bit of land is the same scale as this one there could be rediculous numbers of flats on Adam Street.