URBANO

May 5, 08 - 4:12 PM

SD2

It's my paranoia,I'm sure, but it's odd that there's been no steelwork beyond the third floor despite the steel up to that level having been in place for some weeks. Up to the third floor are the shops. Up from that are the flats.And no update on the website since March.

Hypercelt

May 5th, 2008 - 5:18 PM

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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that there is no progress beyond the third floor - I like it as it is. I expect it will only be a matter of time though before the towers go up and the skies over the Hayes darken!

DaiB

May 5th, 2008 - 5:40 PM

Re: SD2

Yes, I am also sure it's your paranoia.

Zach

May 5th, 2008 - 6:04 PM

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I would imagine they are going to concentrate on the 3 floors of shops. If they can get the roof of the top shopping level on, it will give them greater flexibility when it comes to erecting the steel work for 'Luxury Apartments*'
Or maybe they have run out of money/workers/steel

* do they build any other sort these days?

Wizard

May 5th, 2008 - 6:26 PM

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Yes Zach....they also build...... 'Happy Go Lucky Apartments'

I kid you not, for that is the description on the banner outside the building (to be demolished) opposite Cardiff Bay train station. It's going to be called Dixie.

URBANO

May 5th, 2008 - 10:35 PM

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Thought it was my paranoia, but glad to have it confirmed.Splendid Dixie 2

Kyle

May 6th, 2008 - 9:50 AM

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...and there's me thinking it was Saint David's 2. Now all has become clear.

I wouldn't mind betting that they will finish all of the steelwork up to the full height of the shopping centre before they start on the 4th to 10th storeys.

Me

May 15th, 2008 - 12:12 PM

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Two big cranes are being removed from the SD2 site over the next couple of weeks. I guess because they wont be needed for a while:

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/cardiff-news/2008/05/15/city-streets-to-close-for-cranes-removal-91466-20910986/

Cardiff Ian

May 15th, 2008 - 12:41 PM

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And it looks like the residential part has started along Hill Street:

URBANO

May 15th, 2008 - 12:41 PM

Re: SD2

My paranoia's surfacing again

DaiB

May 15th, 2008 - 1:03 PM

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Why?

My money's on the John Lewis and Library cranes, since both of those buildings now appear to be structurally complete apart from cladding.

Me

May 15th, 2008 - 2:36 PM

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Hey Cardiff Ian,

Not sure what I'm meant to be looking for in the picture to make you say: "And it looks like the residential part has started along Hill Street:"

Not saying you're wrong, just wondering hwere to look! is there a new crane or structural work or something? Whereabouts?

Cardiff Ian

May 15th, 2008 - 3:26 PM

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Looks like three columns in the foreground!

Me

May 15th, 2008 - 3:33 PM

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Yep, I see 'em! Good stuff!

Me

May 20th, 2008 - 1:23 PM

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Apparently the public artworks, that in time will be around the SD2 site, are to be made public in an exhibition in the museum over the next few weeks.

Anyone taking a camera?

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/cardiff-news/2008/05/20/city-project-art-91466-20936196/

They are removed on 29th May.

Kyle

May 22nd, 2008 - 3:55 PM

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http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/05/22/st-david-s-2-tiles-to-show-city-s-history-91466-20945716/

Anyone been to the museum to see any of this yet ?

Kyle

May 23rd, 2008 - 1:00 PM

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http://www.stdavids2.com/news.asp?pageid=14

There's now a posting for May on the Development Update part of the SD2 website.

James

May 24th, 2008 - 5:55 PM

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The SD2 public art proposals at the Museum are certainly worth checking out if you're in the area. As you go through the main Musuem entrance the exhibition is just ahead and to your left.

Half the proposals are for artworks inside the shopping arcades. The other proposals are for works to be situated outdoors where Mill Lane meets The Hayes - these include a huge tree sculpture, a wave/water feature and a giant bodice framework.

Me

May 27th, 2008 - 2:10 PM

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Having now seen the exhibition (which is very small, btw) I also advise everyone to go: and take a camera (which I didnt do). Some of these things are massive and will really frame the whole of the SD2 / Hayes experience, much more than, say, the John Lewis cladding.

Basically, there are 3 works that are approved and will go ahead, and about 6/7 competing options for a massive sculpture outside of the new library. A quick run through (but i'd like to say, i didnt have as much time as I'd like and the info provided is uneven):

Confirmed artwork:

A video installation in the old arcades about the history of the arcades. Hard to tell, but I think this will take up a whole shop front window.

Some tiles under the dome where SD1 meets SD2

One I couldnt quite work out where it will be - Bute Street square? Basically I think they are going to put lights on the old carpark opposite the cinema/CIA. Which is odd cos i thought they were going to knock it down... I could be wrong on this.

Competing sculptures for the new Hayes:

A row of metal arches that get lower (representing waves) that have lights shining on them. It reacts to people in the Hayes around it in some way.

A massive bowl with water in it. When the Hayes is empty there is not much water and it will be still, as the hayes fills up more water is pumped into the bowl and it gets waves etc until it spills over, sometime to drain quickly, sometimes to stay. There will be cameras around the hayes to work out how busy it is. Its meant to cause uncertainty in people about whether it is going to spill or not, and catch people out sometimes when it does.

A massive metal plinth with huge staggered glass tubes above it, that fill up with water in time with the change in the tidal flows in cardiff bay. it also has speakers underneath nearby seats that provide sound effects and also reacts to the people around it somehow.

A massive hollow bronze dress to represent femininity and counter the masculinity of the Mill Stadium.

A massive metal tree with no leaves on it.

Three massive piles of stones.

A massive spike pointing at an angle and a massive metal ring. The has lots of projectors on it that shine bits of text onto the ground below: words that reflect cardiff and phrases from welsh poetry. Some are big, some are small. By standing near it the words shine on the faces/bodies of the people, and by putting your body in different places you can spell different sentences on you (a bit like one of those fridge magnet sets with words that you can order). There is lots of complexity with this one, and more stuff than I can remember. According to the people manning the exhibition this is the forerunner with the public.

There might have been another one but I've forgotten it.

Given some photos, we could argue about these for months. Final decision comes September ish.

Me

May 27th, 2008 - 2:15 PM

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Thursday of this week is the last day of the exhibition, btw.

Kyle

May 27th, 2008 - 2:18 PM

Re: SD2

Wish I'd gone to see it now...still, I can wait.

As far as the Hayes is concerned, lots of trees and a water structure of some sort please.

Spence

May 27th, 2008 - 9:20 PM

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"A massive hollow bronze dress to represent femininity and counter the masculinity of the Mill Stadium.

A massive metal tree with no leaves on it.

Three massive piles of stones."

Hopefully it won't be any of the above; they all sound very predictable and boring. I'm hoping to get down there and see the exhibition tomorrow so I can make my mind up

Me

May 28th, 2008 - 5:03 PM

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The public art project that is recording a history of the Hayes/arcades to put on touch screens around the Hayes is having a day event in June to get people/the public/you? to meet with them and possibly become part of the recording team if you want, taking photos/recording interviews to be used in the art project.

Lots more text about this particular SD2 art project on here: http://www.arcadesproject.org/

Hypercelt

May 28th, 2008 - 5:49 PM

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I bet the cheapest one will mysteriously win

Alec-Radyr

May 28th, 2008 - 6:59 PM

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humm, i really hope the end result isnt too gimmicky.. something of quality that wont look ridiculous in 10 years..

thats the risk with public "art"

Kyle

May 28th, 2008 - 7:13 PM

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That's why I think some sort of water feature would be best. Keep it simple, big and impressive. None of the gimicky story telling please.

Spence

May 28th, 2008 - 8:57 PM

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Not suitable here, but there's a fantastic water feature/full blown European style cascading fountain in the middle of Birmingham by the Pallasades shopping centre. I couldn't believe how recent it was, but it looks amazing and shows that it is still possible to build public features that will still look good in 100+ years time.

London-David

May 29th, 2008 - 1:15 AM

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Shame about the Pallasades.. what a depressing reminder of the 1970s/80s. My housemate Geoff and I had a trip to Brum after visiting old college friends and got caught in the timewarp and lost between the £ shops and Shaws the Drapers.. urrgh!

Spence

May 29th, 2008 - 10:17 AM

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Yeh, it is a bunker, especially compared to the public square with fountain, fantastic old buildings like the town hall(?)next to it and Bullring down the road. I thought it'd be ripe for redevelopment, a gateway to the city centre proper from the Symphony Hall, but when I was there last July they were giving it a very modest £10m revamp.

ex-Cardiff

May 29th, 2008 - 12:12 PM

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I think you mean "The Floosie in the Jacuzzi" as it's known locally. It sets Victoria Square off really well. Something like that in Cardiff would be amazing, but I'm not sure where- the space outside SD2 would seem too small.

Incidently, it's not next to the Pallasades- that's down the street, above New Stret Station. I heard that the redevelopment of New Street was severely restricted because of the expense of evicting the tenants from the Pallasades. It really is the most god-foresaken complex, makes you grateful for Cardiff Central!

Some of the options for SD2 sound really intersting, but I'm having trouble visualising the more bizare-sounding ones.

Spence

May 29th, 2008 - 12:25 PM

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The "floosie in the jacuzzi":

Kyle

May 29th, 2008 - 12:40 PM

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Now that is something severly lacking in Cardiff city centre. Sure we have the odd water feature down the bay, but a decent fountain like this at the junction of Mill lane, Caroline Street and the Hayes is what is needed. There is plenty of space at this point or at the junction of Hills Street, Working Street and Trinity Street. Why not build a water feature out of John Bachelor

Me

May 29th, 2008 - 1:10 PM

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He could pi$$ out onto the students/rugby fans instead of the other way round...

Kyle

May 29th, 2008 - 1:13 PM

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LOL

Sandy

May 29th, 2008 - 1:15 PM

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I've always thought Central Square, when redeveloped could have something like that.

Imagine having a large water fountain as you walk out of the station and some proper seating and trees too. That would solve our 'first impressions' problem!

URBANO

May 29th, 2008 - 1:39 PM

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For Cardiff , particularly given its proximity to St Mary St, it could be the boozy in the jacuzzi, or if it's just plain ugly the stool in the pool.

URBANO

May 29th, 2008 - 1:46 PM

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The John Batchelor idea's not a bad one. Imagine him in a large concrete tub, beer glass on his head,a garden hose in his hand, dribbling water into an upturned cone in the tub. This would be (a)a dramatic re working of the traditional John Batchelor themes and (b)be considerably more interesting than the City Hall vertical hosepipes or the LGA fallen down ones.

Spence

May 29th, 2008 - 2:02 PM

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Lol

to be fair I don't think Brums any less boozy than Cardiff.

Kyle

May 30th, 2008 - 4:19 PM

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I was having a look at the Liverpool One development that partially opened yesterday on t. Some of the stores that have signed up or reportedly signed up to SD2 are at this scheme as well so it will be interesting to see if some of them we haven't yet got will also sign up to SD2.

http://www.liverpool-one.com/website/stores_onboard.html

I hope the scheme works well for them because the city has been living in Manchester's shadows for too long.

Here's a shot of the John Lewis store they are getting. I have to say, I prefer what we are getting (if the SD2 website and the general look of the cladding is what I think we'll get).

James

May 30th, 2008 - 4:42 PM

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A mate of mine was recently down in Cardiff, for the first time in years. He was extremely impressed. Loved Bute park, The arcades, The WMC, the walkway by the Millennium Stadium, and liked the cladding to John Lewis!

Summary: "Cardiff is lovely. I could definately live here"

Cardiff Ian

Jun 13th, 2008 - 11:05 AM

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From the planning applications:

08/00766/C Full Planning Permission Expected Decision Level:
Received: 21/05/2008 Ward: CATHAYS
Case Officer: Chris Ellis
Applicant: Cardiff County Council, County Hall, Atlantic Wharf, Cardiff
Agents: P Mannings, Southgate House, Wood Street, Cardiff, , CF10 1EW
Proposal: TO INSTALL A LARGE PUBLIC INFORMATION SCREEN AT FIRST FLOOR LEVEL ON THE SOUTH
ELEVATION OF THE BALCONY
At: St Davids Centre, Working Street, Cathays, Cardiff

So it seems we'll be getting a big screen like on Queen Street. It would be good if they used it to show sporting events as well but the location doesn't seem suitable for this.

Andrew

Jun 13th, 2008 - 2:14 PM

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I hope its a better (and bigger) one than what's on Queen Street.

Jonathan

Jun 13th, 2008 - 3:09 PM

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It could be used for advertising purposes like in Dundas Sq in Toronto or Times Sq in NYC. I really do love these types of screens - they add so much life to an area.

URBANO

Jun 13th, 2008 - 5:18 PM

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James

Where does your friend live ?

Hypercelt

Jun 13th, 2008 - 6:25 PM

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I only wish we could see some screens like that on the corner of Howells. I think that the current display is awful there - alternating between posters and grandma's wallpaper.

Ian, Bridgend

Jun 16th, 2008 - 3:35 PM

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Fourth and Fifth levels steelwork going up strongly next to Habitat this morning. Looks bulkier by the minute.....

Kyle

Jun 17th, 2008 - 2:31 PM

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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/cardiff-news/2008/06/16/st-david-s-2-cardiff-91466-21087184/

The above link has a video clip interview with the shopping centre manager of both SD1 and SD2.

The link below just talks about the links between the old and new scheme and the grand arcade.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/06/17/st-david-s-2-marks-a-grand-milestone-91466-21085609/

About time we heared some more news on retailers actually.

Me

Jun 17th, 2008 - 4:29 PM

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I'd much rather see some information about the 50%+ of the building that does not overlook the Hayes. There seem to be no pictures in the public domain, and the model in the apartments sales shop just turns to transparent plastic abstract shapes once it gets close to the car park; although it does have some of the area between SD1 & 2 (although none of the new SD1 or the joining bridge).

A friend of mine who works in an architects practice, and has worked on a similar (although slightly smaller) scheme to SD2 elsewhere in the country, tells me that its possible that no one really knows exactly. There will be a plan, but details like the size of the retail units, cladding, and even substantial changes to the available floor space and use, can be changed much later in the project than those outside the scheme may realise.

Even if SD2 only has a possible version of what the 'other-side' of SD2 might look like, I'd still like to see it.

paul-cardiff

Jun 17th, 2008 - 4:58 PM

central hotel - any news?

I work from home - shouldn't complain but I'm busy busy busy!! so I haven't been able to 'do a lap' any news on the the new hotel? when was it due to start I thought it was about nowish? I'll be well chuffed when this gets underway - just hope it does!

Kyle

Jun 17th, 2008 - 5:19 PM

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Paul, I take it you are talking about the Staybridge Suites (formerly Central Hotel) ? Urbano had said that it would start sometime during the first couple of weeks of June so in theory it should be any day soon. There was a theory on another thread that they are waiting for the crane to come down on the Sleeperz development first. I went by on the train last Wednesday and there was no sign of it starting so who knows !

paul-cardiff

Jun 17th, 2008 - 5:28 PM

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Cheers Kyle - I hope so gotta get out and have a look tomorrow

APOLOGIES BY THE WAY FOR POSTING MY CENTRAL HOTEL QUERY HERE!!

If it wasn't my forum I'd start a campaign to get me booted off!!

anyway back to SD2 - with an SD2 query actually..

how come the first floor of apartments (from what I can work out from the renders available) is so high, the second one seems to be just 2 thirds the height?

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URBANO May 5, 08 - 4:12 PM	SD2 It's my paranoia,I'm sure, but it's odd that there's been no steelwork beyond the third floor despite the steel up to that level having been in place for some weeks. Up to the third floor are the shops. Up from that are the flats.And no update on the website since March.
Hypercelt May 5th, 2008 - 5:18 PM	Re: SD2 I'm keeping my fingers crossed that there is no progress beyond the third floor - I like it as it is. I expect it will only be a matter of time though before the towers go up and the skies over the Hayes darken!
DaiB May 5th, 2008 - 5:40 PM	Re: SD2 Yes, I am also sure it's your paranoia.
Zach May 5th, 2008 - 6:04 PM	Re: SD2 I would imagine they are going to concentrate on the 3 floors of shops. If they can get the roof of the top shopping level on, it will give them greater flexibility when it comes to erecting the steel work for 'Luxury Apartments' Or maybe they have run out of money/workers/steel do they build any other sort these days?
Wizard May 5th, 2008 - 6:26 PM	Re: SD2 Yes Zach....they also build...... 'Happy Go Lucky Apartments' I kid you not, for that is the description on the banner outside the building (to be demolished) opposite Cardiff Bay train station. It's going to be called Dixie.
URBANO May 5th, 2008 - 10:35 PM	Re: SD2 Thought it was my paranoia, but glad to have it confirmed.Splendid Dixie 2
Kyle May 6th, 2008 - 9:50 AM	Re: SD2 ...and there's me thinking it was Saint David's 2. Now all has become clear. I wouldn't mind betting that they will finish all of the steelwork up to the full height of the shopping centre before they start on the 4th to 10th storeys.
Me May 15th, 2008 - 12:12 PM	Re: SD2 Two big cranes are being removed from the SD2 site over the next couple of weeks. I guess because they wont be needed for a while: http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/cardiff-news/2008/05/15/city-streets-to-close-for-cranes-removal-91466-20910986/
Cardiff Ian May 15th, 2008 - 12:41 PM	Re: SD2 And it looks like the residential part has started along Hill Street:
URBANO May 15th, 2008 - 12:41 PM	Re: SD2 My paranoia's surfacing again
DaiB May 15th, 2008 - 1:03 PM	Re: SD2 Why? My money's on the John Lewis and Library cranes, since both of those buildings now appear to be structurally complete apart from cladding.
Me May 15th, 2008 - 2:36 PM	Re: SD2 Hey Cardiff Ian, Not sure what I'm meant to be looking for in the picture to make you say: "And it looks like the residential part has started along Hill Street:" Not saying you're wrong, just wondering hwere to look! is there a new crane or structural work or something? Whereabouts?
Cardiff Ian May 15th, 2008 - 3:26 PM	Re: SD2 Looks like three columns in the foreground!
Me May 15th, 2008 - 3:33 PM	Re: SD2 Yep, I see 'em! Good stuff!
Me May 20th, 2008 - 1:23 PM	Re: SD2 Apparently the public artworks, that in time will be around the SD2 site, are to be made public in an exhibition in the museum over the next few weeks. Anyone taking a camera? http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/cardiff-news/2008/05/20/city-project-art-91466-20936196/ They are removed on 29th May.
Kyle May 22nd, 2008 - 3:55 PM	Re: SD2 http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/05/22/st-david-s-2-tiles-to-show-city-s-history-91466-20945716/ Anyone been to the museum to see any of this yet ?
Kyle May 23rd, 2008 - 1:00 PM	Re: SD2 http://www.stdavids2.com/news.asp?pageid=14 There's now a posting for May on the Development Update part of the SD2 website.
James May 24th, 2008 - 5:55 PM	Re: SD2 The SD2 public art proposals at the Museum are certainly worth checking out if you're in the area. As you go through the main Musuem entrance the exhibition is just ahead and to your left. Half the proposals are for artworks inside the shopping arcades. The other proposals are for works to be situated outdoors where Mill Lane meets The Hayes - these include a huge tree sculpture, a wave/water feature and a giant bodice framework.
Me May 27th, 2008 - 2:10 PM	Re: SD2 Having now seen the exhibition (which is very small, btw) I also advise everyone to go: and take a camera (which I didnt do). Some of these things are massive and will really frame the whole of the SD2 / Hayes experience, much more than, say, the John Lewis cladding. Basically, there are 3 works that are approved and will go ahead, and about 6/7 competing options for a massive sculpture outside of the new library. A quick run through (but i'd like to say, i didnt have as much time as I'd like and the info provided is uneven): Confirmed artwork: A video installation in the old arcades about the history of the arcades. Hard to tell, but I think this will take up a whole shop front window. Some tiles under the dome where SD1 meets SD2 One I couldnt quite work out where it will be - Bute Street square? Basically I think they are going to put lights on the old carpark opposite the cinema/CIA. Which is odd cos i thought they were going to knock it down... I could be wrong on this. Competing sculptures for the new Hayes: A row of metal arches that get lower (representing waves) that have lights shining on them. It reacts to people in the Hayes around it in some way. A massive bowl with water in it. When the Hayes is empty there is not much water and it will be still, as the hayes fills up more water is pumped into the bowl and it gets waves etc until it spills over, sometime to drain quickly, sometimes to stay. There will be cameras around the hayes to work out how busy it is. Its meant to cause uncertainty in people about whether it is going to spill or not, and catch people out sometimes when it does. A massive metal plinth with huge staggered glass tubes above it, that fill up with water in time with the change in the tidal flows in cardiff bay. it also has speakers underneath nearby seats that provide sound effects and also reacts to the people around it somehow. A massive hollow bronze dress to represent femininity and counter the masculinity of the Mill Stadium. A massive metal tree with no leaves on it. Three massive piles of stones. A massive spike pointing at an angle and a massive metal ring. The has lots of projectors on it that shine bits of text onto the ground below: words that reflect cardiff and phrases from welsh poetry. Some are big, some are small. By standing near it the words shine on the faces/bodies of the people, and by putting your body in different places you can spell different sentences on you (a bit like one of those fridge magnet sets with words that you can order). There is lots of complexity with this one, and more stuff than I can remember. According to the people manning the exhibition this is the forerunner with the public. There might have been another one but I've forgotten it. Given some photos, we could argue about these for months. Final decision comes September ish.
Me May 27th, 2008 - 2:15 PM	Re: SD2 Thursday of this week is the last day of the exhibition, btw.
Kyle May 27th, 2008 - 2:18 PM	Re: SD2 Wish I'd gone to see it now...still, I can wait. As far as the Hayes is concerned, lots of trees and a water structure of some sort please.
Spence May 27th, 2008 - 9:20 PM	Re: SD2 "A massive hollow bronze dress to represent femininity and counter the masculinity of the Mill Stadium. A massive metal tree with no leaves on it. Three massive piles of stones." Hopefully it won't be any of the above; they all sound very predictable and boring. I'm hoping to get down there and see the exhibition tomorrow so I can make my mind up
Me May 28th, 2008 - 5:03 PM	Re: SD2 The public art project that is recording a history of the Hayes/arcades to put on touch screens around the Hayes is having a day event in June to get people/the public/you? to meet with them and possibly become part of the recording team if you want, taking photos/recording interviews to be used in the art project. Lots more text about this particular SD2 art project on here: http://www.arcadesproject.org/
Hypercelt May 28th, 2008 - 5:49 PM	Re: SD2 I bet the cheapest one will mysteriously win
Alec-Radyr May 28th, 2008 - 6:59 PM	Re: SD2 humm, i really hope the end result isnt too gimmicky.. something of quality that wont look ridiculous in 10 years.. thats the risk with public "art"
Kyle May 28th, 2008 - 7:13 PM	Re: SD2 That's why I think some sort of water feature would be best. Keep it simple, big and impressive. None of the gimicky story telling please.
Spence May 28th, 2008 - 8:57 PM	Re: SD2 Not suitable here, but there's a fantastic water feature/full blown European style cascading fountain in the middle of Birmingham by the Pallasades shopping centre. I couldn't believe how recent it was, but it looks amazing and shows that it is still possible to build public features that will still look good in 100+ years time.
London-David May 29th, 2008 - 1:15 AM	Re: SD2 Shame about the Pallasades.. what a depressing reminder of the 1970s/80s. My housemate Geoff and I had a trip to Brum after visiting old college friends and got caught in the timewarp and lost between the £ shops and Shaws the Drapers.. urrgh! Email: fluffysheepwa@hotmail.com
Spence May 29th, 2008 - 10:17 AM	Re: SD2 Yeh, it is a bunker, especially compared to the public square with fountain, fantastic old buildings like the town hall(?)next to it and Bullring down the road. I thought it'd be ripe for redevelopment, a gateway to the city centre proper from the Symphony Hall, but when I was there last July they were giving it a very modest £10m revamp.
ex-Cardiff May 29th, 2008 - 12:12 PM	Re: SD2 I think you mean "The Floosie in the Jacuzzi" as it's known locally. It sets Victoria Square off really well. Something like that in Cardiff would be amazing, but I'm not sure where- the space outside SD2 would seem too small. Incidently, it's not next to the Pallasades- that's down the street, above New Stret Station. I heard that the redevelopment of New Street was severely restricted because of the expense of evicting the tenants from the Pallasades. It really is the most god-foresaken complex, makes you grateful for Cardiff Central! Some of the options for SD2 sound really intersting, but I'm having trouble visualising the more bizare-sounding ones.
Spence May 29th, 2008 - 12:25 PM	Re: SD2 The "floosie in the jacuzzi":
Kyle May 29th, 2008 - 12:40 PM	Re: SD2 Now that is something severly lacking in Cardiff city centre. Sure we have the odd water feature down the bay, but a decent fountain like this at the junction of Mill lane, Caroline Street and the Hayes is what is needed. There is plenty of space at this point or at the junction of Hills Street, Working Street and Trinity Street. Why not build a water feature out of John Bachelor
Me May 29th, 2008 - 1:10 PM	Re: SD2 He could pi$$ out onto the students/rugby fans instead of the other way round...
Kyle May 29th, 2008 - 1:13 PM	Re: SD2 LOL
Sandy May 29th, 2008 - 1:15 PM	Re: SD2 I've always thought Central Square, when redeveloped could have something like that. Imagine having a large water fountain as you walk out of the station and some proper seating and trees too. That would solve our 'first impressions' problem!
URBANO May 29th, 2008 - 1:39 PM	Re: SD2 For Cardiff , particularly given its proximity to St Mary St, it could be the boozy in the jacuzzi, or if it's just plain ugly the stool in the pool.
URBANO May 29th, 2008 - 1:46 PM	Re: SD2 The John Batchelor idea's not a bad one. Imagine him in a large concrete tub, beer glass on his head,a garden hose in his hand, dribbling water into an upturned cone in the tub. This would be (a)a dramatic re working of the traditional John Batchelor themes and (b)be considerably more interesting than the City Hall vertical hosepipes or the LGA fallen down ones.
Spence May 29th, 2008 - 2:02 PM	Re: SD2 Lol to be fair I don't think Brums any less boozy than Cardiff.
Kyle May 30th, 2008 - 4:19 PM	Re: SD2 I was having a look at the Liverpool One development that partially opened yesterday on t. Some of the stores that have signed up or reportedly signed up to SD2 are at this scheme as well so it will be interesting to see if some of them we haven't yet got will also sign up to SD2. http://www.liverpool-one.com/website/stores_onboard.html I hope the scheme works well for them because the city has been living in Manchester's shadows for too long. Here's a shot of the John Lewis store they are getting. I have to say, I prefer what we are getting (if the SD2 website and the general look of the cladding is what I think we'll get).
James May 30th, 2008 - 4:42 PM	Re: SD2 A mate of mine was recently down in Cardiff, for the first time in years. He was extremely impressed. Loved Bute park, The arcades, The WMC, the walkway by the Millennium Stadium, and liked the cladding to John Lewis! Summary: "Cardiff is lovely. I could definately live here" Email: jat_moore@yahoo.co.uk
Cardiff Ian Jun 13th, 2008 - 11:05 AM	Re: SD2 From the planning applications: 08/00766/C Full Planning Permission Expected Decision Level: Received: 21/05/2008 Ward: CATHAYS Case Officer: Chris Ellis Applicant: Cardiff County Council, County Hall, Atlantic Wharf, Cardiff Agents: P Mannings, Southgate House, Wood Street, Cardiff, , CF10 1EW Proposal: TO INSTALL A LARGE PUBLIC INFORMATION SCREEN AT FIRST FLOOR LEVEL ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE BALCONY At: St Davids Centre, Working Street, Cathays, Cardiff So it seems we'll be getting a big screen like on Queen Street. It would be good if they used it to show sporting events as well but the location doesn't seem suitable for this.
Andrew Jun 13th, 2008 - 2:14 PM	Re: SD2 I hope its a better (and bigger) one than what's on Queen Street.
Jonathan Jun 13th, 2008 - 3:09 PM	Re: SD2 It could be used for advertising purposes like in Dundas Sq in Toronto or Times Sq in NYC. I really do love these types of screens - they add so much life to an area.
URBANO Jun 13th, 2008 - 5:18 PM	Re: SD2 James Where does your friend live ?
Hypercelt Jun 13th, 2008 - 6:25 PM	Re: SD2 I only wish we could see some screens like that on the corner of Howells. I think that the current display is awful there - alternating between posters and grandma's wallpaper.
Ian, Bridgend Jun 16th, 2008 - 3:35 PM	Re: SD2 Fourth and Fifth levels steelwork going up strongly next to Habitat this morning. Looks bulkier by the minute.....
Kyle Jun 17th, 2008 - 2:31 PM	Re: SD2 http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/cardiff-news/2008/06/16/st-david-s-2-cardiff-91466-21087184/ The above link has a video clip interview with the shopping centre manager of both SD1 and SD2. The link below just talks about the links between the old and new scheme and the grand arcade. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/06/17/st-david-s-2-marks-a-grand-milestone-91466-21085609/ About time we heared some more news on retailers actually.
Me Jun 17th, 2008 - 4:29 PM	Re: SD2 I'd much rather see some information about the 50%+ of the building that does not overlook the Hayes. There seem to be no pictures in the public domain, and the model in the apartments sales shop just turns to transparent plastic abstract shapes once it gets close to the car park; although it does have some of the area between SD1 & 2 (although none of the new SD1 or the joining bridge). A friend of mine who works in an architects practice, and has worked on a similar (although slightly smaller) scheme to SD2 elsewhere in the country, tells me that its possible that no one really knows exactly. There will be a plan, but details like the size of the retail units, cladding, and even substantial changes to the available floor space and use, can be changed much later in the project than those outside the scheme may realise. Even if SD2 only has a possible version of what the 'other-side' of SD2 might look like, I'd still like to see it.
paul-cardiff Jun 17th, 2008 - 4:58 PM	central hotel - any news? I work from home - shouldn't complain but I'm busy busy busy!! so I haven't been able to 'do a lap' any news on the the new hotel? when was it due to start I thought it was about nowish? I'll be well chuffed when this gets underway - just hope it does!
Kyle Jun 17th, 2008 - 5:19 PM	Re: SD2 Paul, I take it you are talking about the Staybridge Suites (formerly Central Hotel) ? Urbano had said that it would start sometime during the first couple of weeks of June so in theory it should be any day soon. There was a theory on another thread that they are waiting for the crane to come down on the Sleeperz development first. I went by on the train last Wednesday and there was no sign of it starting so who knows !
paul-cardiff Jun 17th, 2008 - 5:28 PM	Re: SD2 Cheers Kyle - I hope so gotta get out and have a look tomorrow APOLOGIES BY THE WAY FOR POSTING MY CENTRAL HOTEL QUERY HERE!! If it wasn't my forum I'd start a campaign to get me booted off!! anyway back to SD2 - with an SD2 query actually.. how come the first floor of apartments (from what I can work out from the renders available) is so high, the second one seems to be just 2 thirds the height?