paul-cardiff

Jun 18, 08 - 9:59 PM

cardiff city new stadium

nice pic showing much progress, apparently taken from stadium house - found it on that picasso website (hope you don't mind if it's yours

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Ian, Bridgend

Jun 18th, 2008 - 10:54 PM

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I cant bring it up on the screen, Paul. All I see is a small square with a red cross in it. Does that mean it's 'banned' or blocked somehow? Any way round it?

paul-cardiff

Jun 18th, 2008 - 11:08 PM

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Hi Ian - this should do it...

Kyle

Jun 19th, 2008 - 9:20 AM

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Bloody hell ! They're not hanging around are they fair play. I'm very impressed with progress.

Spence

Jun 19th, 2008 - 9:25 AM

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Yep. The only disappointing thing is that if you take away the railway lines, that could be the Liberty Stadium with the forested background and adjacent retail park. It would have been good if they'd been able to stick to the original design with the rounded 'turret' corners and curving roof. Still, beggars can't be choosers.

Karl

Jun 19th, 2008 - 11:00 AM

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Spence - it could be any stadium built in the UK in the last ten years. Same bowl shape, different colour. As you say beggars can't be choosers...

Kyle

Jun 19th, 2008 - 12:18 PM

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Not that I'm a fan of either side, but I quite like the design for the Liverpool and Portsmouth new stadiums. I know both sides have much more money than Cardiff, so I guess beggars can't be choosers in the case of Cardiff's new stadium..but I'm not convinced that they couldn't have come up with something more interesting.

Still, it's an improvement and should see an increase in attendance and hopefully commercial activity. It don't know how it helps the Blues...will they get space for a shop in the stadium, how will the corporate hospitality side of the stadium function on rugby days. I know many of you CCFC fans on the forum couldn't care less, but it does mean the ground and hopefully facilities around the ground will see activity virtually every weekend of the year instead of every other week and the odd midweek game. It's certainly helped for both football and rugby teams based at the Liberty Stadium so I can't see why it would be any different in Cardiff.

Here's the Liverpool one for those that haven't seen it

I haven't got a picture for the Portsmouth one, but here's a link to the latest design released this week I think.

http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/?cms_ref=home

Simon

Jun 19th, 2008 - 3:54 PM

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An important question as a Blues fan is how many bars will there be at the new stadium? Queues are always huge at the Arms Park, but will there be any improvement at a primarily football stadium?

Spence

Jun 19th, 2008 - 4:21 PM

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With regard to Kyles point, the "new beginning" document I received yesterday with my season ticket blurb says:

- "The new arrangements at Leckwith Stadium will see the establishment of a Stadium Company that will manage the day to day running of the new facilites...Cardiff Blues will have an arrangement not too dissimilar to what we currently enjoy, as tenants of Cardiff Athletic Club"

- "There will be a joint ticket office and large retail store together with joint branding at the new stadium"

- "Both clubs will benefit from 100% of their own gate receipts and match day revenues".

- "...there will inevitably be strong co-operation commercially and through joint marketing initiatives..."

No mention of how many bars there will be though.

Alec-Radyr

Jun 20th, 2008 - 12:42 AM

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like wow, the Portsmouth stadium looks fantastic.. all glass and light.. impressive.

But yes good news about our stadium too, even if its a flat-pack

Cardiff Ian

Jun 20th, 2008 - 7:36 AM

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At least our stadium is being built - Portsmouth's does look amazing but it's only a drawing at the moment. Remember that ours was initially a lot more spectacular:

Kyle

Jun 20th, 2008 - 9:12 AM

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The thing with the original Cardiff design is that it was a vision for when (and not if) Cardiff got to the Premiership and were competing well in that division. That size of stadium could actually happen one day hopefully. I can see Cardiff turning the financial mess around slowly and making steps towards becoming serious contenders for promotion rather than being a mid-table team. All it needs is more depth in the squad (and some money to achieve that of course !).

Back to the new stadium, I think 25,000 is short sighted myself. They could have built it at 30,000 and it is ready made for international football (including hosting Euro 2016 matches). But, if Wales and Scotland are successful wih a bid or if the FAW want to use it for general matches maybe the FAW can secure some funding to pay for any attendance increase rather than Cardiff paying for it. I think that would only be fair. On top of that teams that move to new stadiums generally see an increase in attendance so I wouldn't mind betting that Cardiff will get higher average crowds once they move to the new ground anyway.

jantra

Jun 23rd, 2008 - 6:49 PM

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Kyle

Steve Borley has publicised more than once on mike morris's www.ccmb.co.uk * that the capacity upon opening will be c 28,000 rising to 30,000 in a couple of years

*as a fellow city fan I'm sure our esteemed host paul wont mind mentioning a cardiff city forum...

Kyle

Jun 23rd, 2008 - 7:31 PM

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Thanks Jantra. Personally I think the FAW should stump up some cash to help them get to the 30,000...but then they are a bit cash strapped themselves.

Me

Jun 25th, 2008 - 2:06 PM

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Cladding now visible, on the right at least:

Big steps forward from this on 15th May:

Me

Jun 25th, 2008 - 6:24 PM

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Jeeesus! Almost exactly 4 hours since the last photo and now the cladding is on the left as well!

We'll be able to have a match there this time next week at this pace...

Me

Jun 26th, 2008 - 1:31 PM

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Words of the chairman:

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Ridsdale was also upbeat about the progress of City’s new stadium.

He said: “The building work is two weeks ahead of schedule. There is a fair amount of time built in anyway because we must have time to grow the grass – and we have to play a few friendlies to get used to our new home and how things will work on match days.

“Personally, I am delighted the stadium is there at all. Two or three years ago people said it would never happen. Now you can see it is happening.

“The stadium is growing and planning has been granted for the new indoor house of sport. That, too, will be completed next summer.”

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The 'House of Sport?'

Jantra

Jun 26th, 2008 - 1:51 PM

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I think it is going to be a sports version of techniquest, or a museum, i think. I can't really remember..

sorry I shouldn't have posted.

doh!

Starscream

Jul 4th, 2008 - 4:07 PM

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For those who can view the web cam they've zoomed out a bit so you can see more of the work.

Small news I know, but a nice suprise none the less

I think the House of Sport is some sort of community sports centre

Me

Jul 4th, 2008 - 4:10 PM

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I cant get the webcam to work on the computer im using right now.

If it is working for any of you, you can hold down 'control' and press 'print screen' (or 'prt scr') and that will save the image of everything visible on your screen as a jpeg. Copy it into an art package (paint is fine) and crop the edges off, you can then post it online and put it on this page!

Zach

Jul 4th, 2008 - 4:26 PM

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When will it be open?

I have to admit, I have never been to a football match, but maybe with the new stadium, there will be more families and less of the 'No Neck and Tattooed ' brigade

I might pop along to some Games.

Hasn't the Liberty Stadium done wonders for Swansea attendances ?

Kyle

Jul 4th, 2008 - 4:42 PM

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The liberty stadium added a fair few more people to the average attendance precisely because of better facilities and improved access. I can't see it being any different for Cardiff.

I'm curious about this house of sport thing. Are there any details anywhere about it ?

James

Jul 4th, 2008 - 4:48 PM

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Zach,

You have summarised the best and worst things of new stadiums in one post!

It’s great that the new stadium will attract new fans, but it’s equally important that those new fans aren’t catered for at the expense of traditional supporters..I specifically refer to the atmosphere at football games, which includes persistent standing, swearing, rowdy behaviour, banter and can be intimidating. Nothing worse than having a ‘new fan’ dictating to long term supporters how to behave.

Jonathan

Jul 4th, 2008 - 4:57 PM

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With the new stadium I'm also more likely to go to games due to hopefully the number of those referred to by Zach decreasing. One thing I love about the ice hockey is its friendly family nature whilst maintaining excellent atmospheres (indeed I'd say the atmospheres at Devils games would often put CCFC matches to shame).

Indeed, in this respect the two sports are worlds apart and football could really learn something from ice hockey (I'm guessing rugby matches have the similar friendly attitude also).

Kyle

Jul 4th, 2008 - 5:01 PM

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Rugby is generally good. I've been in many a Wales match sat next to opposition fans and have ended up in a pub with them after the game. It sums up the spirit of the sport if you ask me. All the violence happens on the pitch !

Me

Jul 4th, 2008 - 5:04 PM

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Would it be possible to have official/unofficial 'zoning' at the stadium? So one end, perhaps behind the goal, is known as where the tougher nuts prefer to go, while some other side is much more family orientated, perhaps with tailored facilities - more children's loos etc?

James

Jul 4th, 2008 - 5:09 PM

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I'm no advocate of trouble at football matches, and I shouldn't need to refer to it, when defending football fans, but why should the number of traditional football supporters decrease in the new stadium?

Cardiff City supporters have supported the club through thick and thin. From the terraces of Carlisle all the way to the FA Cup final.

New fans are very welcome, but it would be a disgrace for new fans to come in and try to 'Devils-ise' the experience with kids pop music, and the perculier bloodlust of watching grown men fight on ice.

I respect Blues fans, Devils fans, cricket fans and the cultural differences between them. I only ask for the same respect to be shown toward Cardiff City fans. Come along and enjoy the game. Dont join in the songs if you wish, but dont try and change the nature of football crowds.

No-one wants violence in the stands (rarely happens nowadays) but likewise people like to let off steam at football, and this needs to be respected ny any new fans which the stadium will attract.

James

Jul 4th, 2008 - 5:12 PM

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Sorry for reacting so strongly, but I have VERY firm views about gentrification in football.

If they built a new mosque in Cardiff, would you be more likely to attend, hoping that there may be less of those pesky muslims in there?

Of course, thats a ridiculous view to hold, but it is precisely the same principle.

Starscream

Jul 4th, 2008 - 5:41 PM

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I certainly agree James in the sense that each sport has its own culture and this shouldn't be destroyed. However, I can understand why cultures could be adjusted to attract a wider market.If a slight change to a hockey culture was needed to fill the building every week I'd be all for it!

In terms of football, I've never quite understood the need for swearing in the stands and the aggresive atmosphere you often get a football. It doesn't happen in any other sport to my knowledge and fans of other sports (and players for that matter) are certainly no less pationate about there team.

As Jonathan says you don't get any swearing at a Devils game and you don't feel intimidated.Fans police themselves and you know if you've crossed the line. It's still the most intimidating place for awayt teams to play - the oppostion certainly know their in a battle!

James - I'd be interested in why you think it's tolerated and whether you think there's room for compromise if it would improve crowds?

PS -I'm not advocating a "Devilsisation" of football

the diversity is the great thing about having four pro teams in the city!

Starscream

Jul 4th, 2008 - 5:44 PM

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James - I forgot to say, we have some classic tracks played at the tent - the kids pop music is in Coventry! The hard trance version of the William Tell Overture is their best!

Jonathan

Jul 4th, 2008 - 6:07 PM

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James, firstly I apologize if I have offended you.

Secondly, you must realise that many Cardiff City fans are indeed new and have jumped on the bandwagon as they have risen up the leagues. I used to go fairly frequently about 10 years ago when the team were struggling in Div 2/3 and I distinctly remember there being crowds half the size of what they are today. So to say that these supposed 'old fans' should not be affected by new fans is stretching it a bit as most 'old fans' aren't old at all - if that makes sense!

jantra

Jul 5th, 2008 - 11:48 AM

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oh God the old chestnut of football fans. Yes we are all neanderthals roaming around looking for away fans to bash over the head.

One of the things that attracts me to football is the partisan nature of the crowds, the fact that you go with mates and that you have been going to the football both home and away with the same people for 20 years.

How many rugby fans or ice hockey fans go to away games. It is just not the same. CCFC took an average of 1000 fans to away games last season, would have been more if the police hadn't destroyed the RAMS.

We are a partisan bunch, I hope we continue to be a partisan crowd when we get to the new stadium.

BTW, per fan in attendance, there are more arrests during the rugby internationals than for football internationals. Go check the SWP's stats its all in there.

rugby fans hey! besmirching the good name of Wales - you just never here about it.

Kyle

Jul 5th, 2008 - 12:07 PM

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That's because BBC Wales is so biased towards rugby.

As a fan of both sports I eff and jeff at both games. I'm just a passionate fan that's all.

Starscream

Jul 5th, 2008 - 1:10 PM

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I'm certainly not argueing against a partisan fanbase - It varies from sport to sport and it all helps to provide a different match night experience which I think is a good thing.

What I don't understand is why you have to swear and be aggressive to be partisan?

Having been to both football and hockey games in Cardiff I would say the crowds are equally partisan. Fans also choose to sit separately and the banter is very evident. The difference is you don't get people swearing and making wanker signs at opposing players and fans.

I accept this is a minority, although it's a big enough minority to have built a reputation for football. As I've said in another thread - perception very often isn't reality - but there is usually a basis for the perception to develop.

I suppose if Cardiff is happy with it's current fan base there's no need to adapt the culture, but if it wants to achieve a sustainable fanbase from a broad cross-section of society it may need to adjust the experience a bit.Like any business.

PS - in terms of away support I would think the percentage of travelling Devils fans is similar to CCFC. I'd guess rugby is similar for important games aswell, it's just they're less prominent because they mix with opposition fans.

Starscream

Jul 5th, 2008 - 1:52 PM

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They've added a 360 degree view of the inside which gives a great idea of how the tiers connect - there are corners of sorts.

The stadium looks more creative inside than out I think.

They've also added new photos

Zach

Jul 6th, 2008 - 11:50 AM

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I don't think BBC Wales is biased towards rugby. They are Biased towards ratings.
If they still had the rights to show football matches than I guess it would be shoved down your neck like the Rugby!
When you listen to BBC Radio Wales, they do promo the football matches a lot, because they still have the rights.

Now Swansea are in the Championship, will there be a return to the bad ole' days of 'Home and Away' fights!
Do both teams still have a problem?
This will undo all the FA cup final PR.

Me

Jul 6th, 2008 - 4:12 PM

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From their website...

DaiB

Jul 6th, 2008 - 11:03 PM

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I'm generally one of the less fatalistic ones around here, but that really does look terribly cheap. I'm pretty sure the Liberty Stadium isn't see through.

Jonathan

Jul 7th, 2008 - 12:27 AM

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I was gonna say the same thing... looks a bit temporary like the ice rink

might be terribly dated in 5-10 years.

Karl

Jul 7th, 2008 - 9:26 AM

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Oh sweet Jesus...I've been dreading moving from Ninian and the same spot on the Bob Bank terrace that I've inhabited for most of my life. This just confirms my worst fears. Having said that it would have to be a mixture between the San Siro and the Bernabau for me to get motivated about moving ground so perhaps I'm not the most objective....

Jantra

Jul 7th, 2008 - 9:28 AM

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FAO DaiB

there are going to be lights behind it, then a screen, so it will be lit up on matchdays....

I'll reserve judgement for when I see it, although will concede that at present it doesn't look great...I have every faith in Steve Borley to deliver a quality product for the city...

Kyle

Jul 7th, 2008 - 10:09 AM

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Look okay to me...for those that have never been the Libery Stadium is a bit boring to be honest.

Spence

Jul 7th, 2008 - 11:05 AM

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A little cheap maybe, but at least it has some colour in it that's representative of the Bluebirds and Blues. The Liberty Stadium is very bland being nearly all white and will look dirty quickly; just look at the grime on the white 'spires' of the MilStad.

Does anyone know if there's still going to be yellow panels on the new stadium like the CGI renders showed? I hope not as I think it'll clash horribly with the current panels, plus as a Blues fan yellow has no relevance.

Wizard

Jul 7th, 2008 - 11:15 AM

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The Liberty Stadium is white but then they're also the colours of the teams that play there.

Jantra

Jul 7th, 2008 - 12:29 PM

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Spence

It is CCFC's stadium, the blues are tenants. Our away kit is yellow. We have yellow on our home kit. Yellow is more than acceptable.

plus it will look good lit up at night, although I reckno CAS will have something to say about that

Kyle

Jul 7th, 2008 - 12:54 PM

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The yellow is present in those kits because it is taken from the flag of St. David isn't it ? Isn't the away kit effectively just the colours of the flag ?

I quite like the fact that the colour is being used actually. I love the flag of St.David and I'd like to see it used more often in the country.

What is the name of the new ground ? At one point they were going to name it after St. David weren't they ? Are they waiting for naming rights to be sold ?

Me

Jul 7th, 2008 - 1:12 PM

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At one point the naming rights were being discussed in relation to the court case and debt etc. But I've no idea what the current situation is.

I imagine it will end up being corporate.

Cardiff Ian

Jul 7th, 2008 - 1:44 PM

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I believe they've held back on a name deliberately so that the stadium is a blank canvas for whatever company wants to pay for the naming rights. The timing isn't particularly good though with the current economic climate.

Jantra

Jul 7th, 2008 - 3:09 PM

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yellow is nothing to do with the flag of St David. that was brought in by Sam Hammam. We have had yellow in our kit since we were Riverside FC.

In a gesture of solidarity and friendship I believe the stadium should incorporate elements of both the city and the blues previous identities.

the blues played at Cardiff Arms Park so we could take the word Park from that....

the city played at Ninian Park so we could take Ninian from that.

put them together and you will get...

ninian park...all quite equitable and created on a memorandum of understanding.

Spence

Jul 7th, 2008 - 3:30 PM

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Jantra, I think you've made it clear enough before that it's Citys stadium and therefore they are fully entitled the have yellow in it. I was just stating my opinion on the inclusion of yellow panels.

It's worth noting though that on the blurb I had a few weeks ago from CRFC it stated there'd be a "joint ticket office and shop together with joint branding at the stadium". I'd be interested to know the extent of this joint branding. Have you had anything through the door from City explaining anything?

Jantra

Jul 7th, 2008 - 3:36 PM

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Spence it was an attmept at humour.

I just hope it is given a proper name, not the cost co stadium or something equally as daft

personally, I'd name it New Ninian and leave it at that.