paul-cardiff

Jul 23, 08 - 11:55 PM

Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics

I knew about the windmill but not the trees!!

http://www.conranandpartners.com/index.php/news/2008/cardiff2

obviously Bay Pointe is more than just these two towers - but is it just my facination with tall buildings that says it would be logical to do them first? I mean look at that mothballed bellway tower, it was (from renders we saw a while back on here) the best part of the bellway apartment development and yet it was the last to be built and is now on hold - somebody I'm sure can enlighten me but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me

Cardiff Ian

Jul 24th, 2008 - 9:26 AM

Re: Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics

Paul - I believe they leave the tallest buildings last as the theory is that this will be the most in demand, ie if they built the towers first who would then want to live in the low rise. This happened on Celestia. Of course the reality is that the tower is the most expensive so could be scaled back / abandoned if the finance isn't there, ala Prospect Place!

Me

Jul 24th, 2008 - 10:00 AM

Re: Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics

Here:

Is there also meant to be lower buildings around them? They look a 'lil stuck out on their own as they are.

Karl

Jul 24th, 2008 - 11:31 AM

Re: Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics

The more I see them the less I like them. Conversely the more I see Prospect Place the more I like it. The tower would have really set it off. I knew someone who lived in Prospect Place who described it as a 'ghetto' and not very pleasant to live in. This is a shame as I think it's far more impressive than a lot of other developments in better positions (Celestia, Waterquarter etc).

Once the ISV is more built up I suspect that the complaints that it's isolated will melt away but that could be years from now. I still can't believe that a development that size doesn't have it's own shop/bar etc on site.

Kyle

Jul 24th, 2008 - 12:19 PM

Re: Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics

I like them, but would be interested to see the whole development in one model...with some small shop units and a bar or two. That would help out the resitents at Watermark and Prospect Place as well. I'm sure things will imrove for everyone once this and all the ISV developments are finished...but that could be years away.

As far as Prospect Place feeling isolated that's an interesting one. They are hardly a million miles away from facilities with the retail park not too far away and bus routes into town and the inner harbour a little walk away (apart from in the winter). I wonder if what people really want is a nice suburb with a high street and a cosy pub or two.

Karl

Jul 24th, 2008 - 1:43 PM

Re: Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics

It's not a very scientific survey I carried out I have to admit - 1 person out of the 100 plus who live there! It was just his view - that Prospect Place felt isolated and a bit windswept. I don't thinbk living next to a retail park would make it feel any less so. I suspect that in time there will be more shops, bars, restaurants etc as the ISV grows plus more people which I think will make a big difference.

Kyle

Jul 24th, 2008 - 2:33 PM

Re: Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics

Karl, I do half agree with you having lived in Windsor Quay for almost 7 years (although that ended around 5 years ago). It gets very windswept at times in that area and I would have killed for a decent bar on my doorstep, but I made do with a walk to the inner harbour, a walk to Asda for odds and ends and a drive to Tesco in Penarth for the weekly shop. I guess it depends on what you feel isolated from and what you are used to before moving to the place. That's an individual feeling I suppose and nobody can claim you are or are not isolated if that is how you feel.

When I moved to that area I had lived in nearby part of Grangetown for a few years and before that I'd been jumping around between a tiny village in the Bridgend area, different parts of Pontypridd and a shitty part of Uxbridge. Compared to all those places it was brilliant down there and I was excited by all the new developments I was in the middle of but understood that the whole area was a work in progress. It still is a work in progress of course, but that was half the fun for me...not that I'd want to be right next to the half constructed tower knowing it might not recommence for quite a while !

Jantra

Jul 24th, 2008 - 2:45 PM

Re: Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics

that part of town is about 15-20 years old. give it another 20 years for it to really bed in then the shops etc will follow on naturally.

you an guarantee that as the focus moves away from these developments to other areas of the city, the council will beless inclined to stop proposals to convert houses/offices to bars/delis/retail.

If you look at the developments say in teh westof of london, almost all squares were originally housing. 200 years later (ok differnet time frame admitted) but they are now offices, bars, retail units, and of course housing)

it just takes time...the developers want the biggest bang for their buck and that is show box housing....

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paul-cardiff Jul 23, 08 - 11:55 PM	Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics I knew about the windmill but not the trees!! http://www.conranandpartners.com/index.php/news/2008/cardiff2 obviously Bay Pointe is more than just these two towers - but is it just my facination with tall buildings that says it would be logical to do them first? I mean look at that mothballed bellway tower, it was (from renders we saw a while back on here) the best part of the bellway apartment development and yet it was the last to be built and is now on hold - somebody I'm sure can enlighten me but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me
Cardiff Ian Jul 24th, 2008 - 9:26 AM	Re: Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics Paul - I believe they leave the tallest buildings last as the theory is that this will be the most in demand, ie if they built the towers first who would then want to live in the low rise. This happened on Celestia. Of course the reality is that the tower is the most expensive so could be scaled back / abandoned if the finance isn't there, ala Prospect Place!
Me Jul 24th, 2008 - 10:00 AM	Re: Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics Here: Is there also meant to be lower buildings around them? They look a 'lil stuck out on their own as they are.
Karl Jul 24th, 2008 - 11:31 AM	Re: Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics The more I see them the less I like them. Conversely the more I see Prospect Place the more I like it. The tower would have really set it off. I knew someone who lived in Prospect Place who described it as a 'ghetto' and not very pleasant to live in. This is a shame as I think it's far more impressive than a lot of other developments in better positions (Celestia, Waterquarter etc). Once the ISV is more built up I suspect that the complaints that it's isolated will melt away but that could be years from now. I still can't believe that a development that size doesn't have it's own shop/bar etc on site. Email: thomask1969@hotmail.com
Kyle Jul 24th, 2008 - 12:19 PM	Re: Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics I like them, but would be interested to see the whole development in one model...with some small shop units and a bar or two. That would help out the resitents at Watermark and Prospect Place as well. I'm sure things will imrove for everyone once this and all the ISV developments are finished...but that could be years away. As far as Prospect Place feeling isolated that's an interesting one. They are hardly a million miles away from facilities with the retail park not too far away and bus routes into town and the inner harbour a little walk away (apart from in the winter). I wonder if what people really want is a nice suburb with a high street and a cosy pub or two.
Karl Jul 24th, 2008 - 1:43 PM	Re: Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics It's not a very scientific survey I carried out I have to admit - 1 person out of the 100 plus who live there! It was just his view - that Prospect Place felt isolated and a bit windswept. I don't thinbk living next to a retail park would make it feel any less so. I suspect that in time there will be more shops, bars, restaurants etc as the ISV grows plus more people which I think will make a big difference. Email: thomask1969@hotmail.com
Kyle Jul 24th, 2008 - 2:33 PM	Re: Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics Karl, I do half agree with you having lived in Windsor Quay for almost 7 years (although that ended around 5 years ago). It gets very windswept at times in that area and I would have killed for a decent bar on my doorstep, but I made do with a walk to the inner harbour, a walk to Asda for odds and ends and a drive to Tesco in Penarth for the weekly shop. I guess it depends on what you feel isolated from and what you are used to before moving to the place. That's an individual feeling I suppose and nobody can claim you are or are not isolated if that is how you feel. When I moved to that area I had lived in nearby part of Grangetown for a few years and before that I'd been jumping around between a tiny village in the Bridgend area, different parts of Pontypridd and a shitty part of Uxbridge. Compared to all those places it was brilliant down there and I was excited by all the new developments I was in the middle of but understood that the whole area was a work in progress. It still is a work in progress of course, but that was half the fun for me...not that I'd want to be right next to the half constructed tower knowing it might not recommence for quite a while !
Jantra Jul 24th, 2008 - 2:45 PM	Re: Bay Pointe - no new news just some pics that part of town is about 15-20 years old. give it another 20 years for it to really bed in then the shops etc will follow on naturally. you an guarantee that as the focus moves away from these developments to other areas of the city, the council will beless inclined to stop proposals to convert houses/offices to bars/delis/retail. If you look at the developments say in teh westof of london, almost all squares were originally housing. 200 years later (ok differnet time frame admitted) but they are now offices, bars, retail units, and of course housing) it just takes time...the developers want the biggest bang for their buck and that is show box housing....