The coalmine wounds are still fresh in the Valleys unfortunately. It's better the Devil you know for them rather than the existential leap in the dark of a vote for Plaid or Conservatives.

I've always seen the Euro as a jokey election, one to sh!t up the established parties and even though I'm still in 2 minds about our position in the EU, I'm voting UKIP as a big FU, especially now Leanne Wood has said it makes me not Welsh. How is the dumb valley bimbo, leader of the nationalist party but can't speak the lingo is beyond me, Plaid are simply unelectable.

Jantra, that's exactly the point. Labour played a blinder by convincing people that it was the Conservatives who closed all the mines. They need to realise that Labour is a wolf in sheep's clothing. The Valleys are nothing more than voting fodder for Labour.

Are you calling me a bigot for opposing the neanderthal attitudes of many plaidcymru supporters whose pathetic Anglophobia pervades their own rationality?

This stretches from the migration (our Anglo friends make up a quarter of our population) to the decline of the Welsh language, supposedly at the fault of Anglo migration, yet money is still being thrown down the pan the language, propping it up and forcing it upon the Anglophone majority where it could be better spent on keeping A&E's open. Darwinism and all, it should stand on it's own feet.

You'll be calling me not Welsh next, the next standard tactic in the book.

The only saving grace imho is that the EU elections aren't taken so seriously in the UK so that the likes of UKIP may do well but they will never really do anything in the UK elections. it does worry me that some people in the UK think we will be better off out of Europe. Freedom of movement of people and goods is a big bonus. We really should be looking to enter Schengen as well as adopting the Euro.

If any euro sceptic's can tell me what laws the EU have implemented that actually override UK law? When asked about repatriation of powers, I can never get anything sensible out of the euro sceptics.

not only that, we live in an age where we can talk to people on the continent over the internet free of charge, we can communicate and interact with these people freely. Why would you want to put a barrier in place?

Farage has also recently stated that most of his new supporters are from the centre left Libdems and the centre right Labour party

That's why a debate on our position in Europe is a must in the next couple of years. We either go 'all in' with the Europe project, adopt the Euro and take a lead alongside the French and Germans or we retreat to isolation and see what we can do with free reign. The position we have at the moment isn't helping anyone really, our dithering is annoying our European allies and it won't be long until they chuck us that ultimatum.

If voting for Farage gets this debate on the table then so be it.

I'm of the view too that the EFTA states either sign up or do without as well. Iceland has began making overtures, time for the Norwegians and the Swiss sort themselves out too, although I suspect Switzerland maybe heading in the opposite direction with the recent immigration quotas vote.

An update on Plaid Cymru moonbattery :

http://www.partyofwales.org/the-slate/2014/03/26/ttip-putting-wales-first-in-transatlantic-trade/?force=1

I think I saw figures that showed Wales compares favourabely to the other parts of the UK when it comes to exporting to the USA so clearly we would benefit from any deal.

In this piece Jill Evans refers to border taxes and regulations as "so-called "barriers" to trade" that sums up many members of the political class in Wales not a clue about the world of business not a clue about wealth creation to pay for their beloved public services.