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Re: The benefits of devolution

Jantwat
Jantra
Redragon
Is this now the final post, then? No more can be said, we know how everyone feels and everyone is bored.
reading this thread is not obligatory.

This forum is about Cardiff and everything about it. Our political and economic system is worth discussing



Hear Hear. I am always amazed by the number of Welsh people who shirk their civic duty. We are all on trial for our collective failure to be as good as England and the English. We need a system where public sector workers are criticised, constructively, for their failings and then publicly shamed and made to pay for their transgressions.

A Cultural Revolution, if you will.


You have misunderstood what I have said

Re: The benefits of devolution

Jantra
Jantwat
Jantra
Redragon
Is this now the final post, then? No more can be said, we know how everyone feels and everyone is bored.
reading this thread is not obligatory.

This forum is about Cardiff and everything about it. Our political and economic system is worth discussing



Hear Hear. I am always amazed by the number of Welsh people who shirk their civic duty. We are all on trial for our collective failure to be as good as England and the English. We need a system where public sector workers are criticised, constructively, for their failings and then publicly shamed and made to pay for their transgressions.

A Cultural Revolution, if you will.


You have misunderstood what I have said


So what you are saying is that people routinely misunderstand what you are saying?

Hear, hear. If only people listened, or in this case, read more carefully. The problem with Welsh people is that they don't understand what they actually mean. I often have to read between the lines to actually understand what the true meaning of people's posts is. I blame the statist Welsh education system with its focus on bureaucracy and box-ticking.

If teachers were actually allowed to encourage students to interpret texts in their own way we would have a nascent nation of libertarian free-thinkers rather than a homogenous mass of socialist drones repeating the mantra of orthodoxy. Of course it would lead to disputes as no-one would actually agree on anything but a state of anarchic societal meltdown populated by narcissistic, psychotic loons with a gigantic sense of entitlement would be preferable to the grey, communist, conformity utopia that Carwyn the Caring is foisting upon our bedraggled nation.

That's what I believe you were saying, Jantra brah.

Re: The benefits of devolution

Jantwat
Jantra
Jantwat
Jantra
Redragon
Is this now the final post, then? No more can be said, we know how everyone feels and everyone is bored.
reading this thread is not obligatory.

This forum is about Cardiff and everything about it. Our political and economic system is worth discussing



Hear Hear. I am always amazed by the number of Welsh people who shirk their civic duty. We are all on trial for our collective failure to be as good as England and the English. We need a system where public sector workers are criticised, constructively, for their failings and then publicly shamed and made to pay for their transgressions.

A Cultural Revolution, if you will.


You have misunderstood what I have said


So what you are saying is that people routinely misunderstand what you are saying?

Hear, hear. If only people listened, or in this case, read more carefully. The problem with Welsh people is that they don't understand what they actually mean. I often have to read between the lines to actually understand what the true meaning of people's posts is. I blame the statist Welsh education system with its focus on bureaucracy and box-ticking.

If teachers were actually allowed to encourage students to interpret texts in their own way we would have a nascent nation of libertarian free-thinkers rather than a homogenous mass of socialist drones repeating the mantra of orthodoxy. Of course it would lead to disputes as no-one would actually agree on anything but a state of anarchic societal meltdown populated by narcissistic, psychotic loons with a gigantic sense of entitlement would be preferable to the grey, communist, conformity utopia that Carwyn the Caring is foisting upon our bedraggled nation.

That's what I believe you were saying, Jantra brah.


once again you have misunderstood

Re: The benefits of devolution

Jantra
Jantwat
Jantra
Jantwat
Jantra
Redragon
Is this now the final post, then? No more can be said, we know how everyone feels and everyone is bored.
reading this thread is not obligatory.

This forum is about Cardiff and everything about it. Our political and economic system is worth discussing



Hear Hear. I am always amazed by the number of Welsh people who shirk their civic duty. We are all on trial for our collective failure to be as good as England and the English. We need a system where public sector workers are criticised, constructively, for their failings and then publicly shamed and made to pay for their transgressions.

A Cultural Revolution, if you will.


You have misunderstood what I have said


So what you are saying is that people routinely misunderstand what you are saying?

Hear, hear. If only people listened, or in this case, read more carefully. The problem with Welsh people is that they don't understand what they actually mean. I often have to read between the lines to actually understand what the true meaning of people's posts is. I blame the statist Welsh education system with its focus on bureaucracy and box-ticking.

If teachers were actually allowed to encourage students to interpret texts in their own way we would have a nascent nation of libertarian free-thinkers rather than a homogenous mass of socialist drones repeating the mantra of orthodoxy. Of course it would lead to disputes as no-one would actually agree on anything but a state of anarchic societal meltdown populated by narcissistic, psychotic loons with a gigantic sense of entitlement would be preferable to the grey, communist, conformity utopia that Carwyn the Caring is foisting upon our bedraggled nation.

That's what I believe you were saying, Jantra brah.


once again you have misunderstood


I completely agree with that and everything that you say. I care not what the nay-sayers say. At least we can all agree with ourselves.

Re: The benefits of devolution

Jantwat
Jantra
Jantwat
Jantra
Jantwat
Jantra
Redragon
Is this now the final post, then? No more can be said, we know how everyone feels and everyone is bored.
reading this thread is not obligatory.

This forum is about Cardiff and everything about it. Our political and economic system is worth discussing



Hear Hear. I am always amazed by the number of Welsh people who shirk their civic duty. We are all on trial for our collective failure to be as good as England and the English. We need a system where public sector workers are criticised, constructively, for their failings and then publicly shamed and made to pay for their transgressions.

A Cultural Revolution, if you will.


You have misunderstood what I have said


So what you are saying is that people routinely misunderstand what you are saying?

Hear, hear. If only people listened, or in this case, read more carefully. The problem with Welsh people is that they don't understand what they actually mean. I often have to read between the lines to actually understand what the true meaning of people's posts is. I blame the statist Welsh education system with its focus on bureaucracy and box-ticking.

If teachers were actually allowed to encourage students to interpret texts in their own way we would have a nascent nation of libertarian free-thinkers rather than a homogenous mass of socialist drones repeating the mantra of orthodoxy. Of course it would lead to disputes as no-one would actually agree on anything but a state of anarchic societal meltdown populated by narcissistic, psychotic loons with a gigantic sense of entitlement would be preferable to the grey, communist, conformity utopia that Carwyn the Caring is foisting upon our bedraggled nation.

That's what I believe you were saying, Jantra brah.


once again you have misunderstood


I completely agree with that and everything that you say. I care not what the nay-sayers say. At least we can all agree with ourselves.


original thought is an admirable quality. you should try thinking for yourself

Re: The benefits of devolution

Jantra
Victor Clam
Jantra

We all know the state is truly incapable of dealing with education and health and it is best left to the private sector to deliver what is really needed, but the Welsh have demonstrated time and again they prefer failing services, benefits, welfare and handouts. If they didn't then they wouldn't keep voting for the same failed left wing approach to life.

Socialism, left wing theory, statism, it is all about control and standardisation. The thing is - we are not all the same. We are different, the sooner the Welsh appreciate we are all different and that we need to push forward those who are capable the sooner we can start developing a Wales that can deliver the wealth its people need to lead a good quality of life. You won't get that with Labour and you won't get that with the anti-business Plaid either.



You can't refer to "the Welsh" as a single mass and then go on to state how we are not all the same. It doesn't make sense and is really irritating. I'm Welsh and I don't prefer failing services, benefits, welfare or handouts. I very much dislike Welsh Labour. But then again I dislike all political parties - if they put as much effort into trying to better the country as they do into point scoring we'd all be a bit better off.

Out of interest, who do you vote for in the Assembly elections? Apologies if you've already mentioned, I must admit I haven't read through all of the posts on this thread.


I don't vote. I'm against the concept of the state and don't wish to perpetuate it.

When I say Welsh I mean the collective majority. I don't mean individuals, apologies if it came across like that.


Is it all elections you don't vote in, or just the Assembly election?

Re: The benefits of devolution

Jantra
Jantwat
Jantra
Jantwat
Jantra
Jantwat
Jantra
Redragon
Is this now the final post, then? No more can be said, we know how everyone feels and everyone is bored.
reading this thread is not obligatory.

This forum is about Cardiff and everything about it. Our political and economic system is worth discussing



Hear Hear. I am always amazed by the number of Welsh people who shirk their civic duty. We are all on trial for our collective failure to be as good as England and the English. We need a system where public sector workers are criticised, constructively, for their failings and then publicly shamed and made to pay for their transgressions.

A Cultural Revolution, if you will.


You have misunderstood what I have said


So what you are saying is that people routinely misunderstand what you are saying?

Hear, hear. If only people listened, or in this case, read more carefully. The problem with Welsh people is that they don't understand what they actually mean. I often have to read between the lines to actually understand what the true meaning of people's posts is. I blame the statist Welsh education system with its focus on bureaucracy and box-ticking.

If teachers were actually allowed to encourage students to interpret texts in their own way we would have a nascent nation of libertarian free-thinkers rather than a homogenous mass of socialist drones repeating the mantra of orthodoxy. Of course it would lead to disputes as no-one would actually agree on anything but a state of anarchic societal meltdown populated by narcissistic, psychotic loons with a gigantic sense of entitlement would be preferable to the grey, communist, conformity utopia that Carwyn the Caring is foisting upon our bedraggled nation.

That's what I believe you were saying, Jantra brah.


once again you have misunderstood


I completely agree with that and everything that you say. I care not what the nay-sayers say. At least we can all agree with ourselves.


original thought is an admirable quality. you should try thinking for yourself



Well said. Thinking for oneself is a vital skill being undermined by the socialist Welsh education system. I echo your utterance wholeheartedly

Re: The benefits of devolution

I have mentioned on another thread that welsh politicians are more interested in empire building than anything else. Some scoffed at the claim. Considering the welsh governments budget has been falling and front line services squeezed, it seems odd that ministers have managed to find the finances for this.

Of course, some will make out our politicians have our interests at heart and need to increase the size of state despite taking even more money from the front line to fund this sort of expansion. Such people would answer differently to the rest of us when asked how many planets orbit their sun

Re: The benefits of devolution

Jantra
I have mentioned on another thread that welsh politicians are more interested in empire building than anything else. Some scoffed at the claim. Considering the welsh governments budget has been falling and front line services squeezed, it seems odd that ministers have managed to find the finances for this.

Of course, some will make out our politicians have our interests at heart and need to increase the size of state despite taking even more money from the front line to fund this sort of expansion. Such people would answer differently to the rest of us when asked how many planets orbit their sun


Back to the Jantra agenda, note you did not send heart felt congratulations to Marxist Edwina for her success in bringing unemployment in Wales to close to the UK average with a fall of 12,000 to Nov 2013. It is not all a result of a few hundred extra employed by the Welsh Government.

The number employed by the Welsh Government in April 2009 was 6137 FTE, this fell in April 2012 to 5201 FTE and by December 2013 had risen to 5483 FTE. The number of office locations has also fallen from 63 to 35 in the same period and they are aiming for 25 by 2018.

What could be the reason for the unpward rise:

1) Jantra's theory of Empire building, which of course does exist to a degree.
2) Additional responsbilities - legislation and finance functions?
3) Transfers from other civil service functions or mergers -Natural resources Wales?
4) A N Other, maybe apprentices

Whatever the reason, if the office stock is reduced to 25 location they will start to be packed in like sardines if there is a never ending increase in employees.

If you are so concerned e-mail Edwina and ask her what the long term planned number of employees is for future years and share with us?

Re: The benefits of devolution

I congratulate the bullingdon boys for creating the right overarching framework to allow the uk economy to grow. Wales is just being dragged along despite the best efforts of the communists to ensure otherwise.

I'd email comrade hart as suggested but i would probably drown in a sea of applications, paperwork and other forms before I'd be allowed a response.

Re: The benefits of devolution

Jantra
I congratulate the bullingdon boys for creating the right overarching framework to allow the uk economy to grow. Wales is just being dragged along despite the best efforts of the communists to ensure otherwise.

I'd email comrade hart as suggested but i would probably drown in a sea of applications, paperwork and other forms before I'd be allowed a response.


Cry Huzzah for the Bullingdon Boys! Huzzah for Brave Dave, Gorgeous George and Boris the Battler!

Their policies of sucking the life out of the corpse of everywhere in the UK bar London and the South East is paving the way for the future. Once London is proclaimed World Capital, Wales will become 'North Cornwall' and hordes of our betters, the English middle class, will descend on Tenby and Aberporth, bringing their tousle-haired progeny.

These youngsters? Future members of the Bullingdon club, hopefully. They will see Wales in all its inadequacy and vow to screw it over, just like Daddy does, when they grow up!

Huzzah!!!!!

Re: The benefits of devolution

You make it way too easy

Re: The benefits of devolution

Jantra
You make it way too easy


I'm easy like Sunday morning, baby! But not as easy as you!

You're Easy-Peasy-Lemon-Squeezy!

Luv u Jantastic 0.5

Re: The benefits of devolution

Have you been on the cooking sherry?

Re: The benefits of devolution

Jantra
Have you been on the cooking sherry?


I don't drink. That's one thing we don't have in common

Re: The benefits of devolution

Jantra
I congratulate the bullingdon boys for creating the right overarching framework to allow the uk economy to grow. Wales is just being dragged along despite the best efforts of the communists to ensure otherwise.

I'd email comrade hart as suggested but i would probably drown in a sea of applications, paperwork and other forms before I'd be allowed a response.


But has something fundamentally changed in the Welsh economy. For years we have been level pegging with the North East of England. But now the unemployment rate is 10.3% (or 4.3% of the pop) in the N E Eng and 7.2% (or 3.3% of the pop) in Wales.

More interestingly is the comparison with the North West of England.

NW Eng Wales
Economic activity rate 60.7% 60.8%

Employment rate 55.9% 56.4%

Unemployment rate 7.9% 7.2%

Economic inactivity rate 39.3% 39.2%

In Wales this seems to have been achieved by increasing those in employment, while the self-employed numbers seem to have shrunk, at least looking at the figures released by the ONS on 22/01/14.

Of course I had not realised how many temporary posties and santas where recruited in that quarter

Re: The benefits of devolution

I'd say the English regions have been downsizing their public sector whereas in Wales we haven't yet. This is about to happen with the local government reorganisation seeing upwards of 20k jobs disappear. That's about 1.5-2% of the workforce.

Wales is doing better, albeit from a lower base so any rise is proportionally higher. I think we also need to look at the quality and skill levels of the jobs that are being created. We still don't seem to get the divisional or headquarter jobs that bring greater wealth into the nation. We seem to attract more call centre type work. I would also hazard a guess that the likes of amazon play a larger percentage of the welsh workforce than the rest of the uk and as such any Christmas upswing will have a greater impact here.

There are reasons to be optimistic but I'd say its more down to the uk economy in general rather than anything WG are doing. If WG are having any sort of impact then why do we still have empty offices at assembly square, no new businesses in the finance enterprise zone with new capital city centre prime office development at a standstill? One year in and why is Cardiff airport still in decline (if you factor in the general upswing in aviation activity)?

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