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S4C to move HQ out of Cardiff

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-26581667

This will dissuade well-qualified dual language speakers from joining.
If you speak Welsh and English and want a career in the media why would you move to Camarthen?

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Ben in London
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-26581667

This will dissuade well-qualified dual language speakers from joining.
If you speak Welsh and English and want a career in the media why would you move to Camarthen?


I wouldn't say that. S4C doesn't produce its own programmes, and only has a staff of around 100. Welsh language production is spread across Wales, with a sizable amount produced in Cardiff. This wouldn't really affect Welsh speakers within the industry on a grand scale.

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A really stupid move.

Evan Davis had a great TV show over the last two weeks about the economics of "London v rUK". One of the 'findings' in this show was that to boost the regional economies we should be focusing on maximising the agglomoration effects, by focusing on key centres. In Wales' case, that is Cardiff. Having a media hub in Cardiff bay, for instance, would boost the productivity of the media sector in Wales, making it even more attractive as a place to locate, attracing additional media occupiers etc. If you spread things too thin, then you lose out on these effects.

If we want a more balanced UK, we might need our regions to become a bit less balanced. Instead, in Wales, we still seem wedded to this idea that we can spread economic activity around and everywhere can perform just as well as everywhere else. That isn't how modern economies work. What you need to do is focus on the economic clusters you get around major cities (e.g. Cardiff-Newport, and maybe Swansea Bay at a push) and facilitate transport links to these centres, and population growth in the vicinity of them.

S4C in Carmarthen will be further away from the action in Cardiff, will struggle to retain talent, will do less to drive the wider media sector in Wales. URGH!

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RandomComment
S4C in Carmarthen will be further away from the action in Cardiff, will struggle to retain talent, will do less to drive the wider media sector in Wales. URGH!


Talent will be remain unaffected because, as I said above, S4C doesn't produce programmes. Much of the output is produced in Cardiff. S4C will retain a Cardiff presence also.

If anything, the real home of Welsh TV production at the moment is Llanelli where Tinopolis has chosen to be based.

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Geronimo
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S4C in Carmarthen will be further away from the action in Cardiff, will struggle to retain talent, will do less to drive the wider media sector in Wales. URGH!


Talent will be remain unaffected because, as I said above, S4C doesn't produce programmes. Much of the output is produced in Cardiff. S4C will retain a Cardiff presence also.

If anything, the real home of Welsh TV production at the moment is Llanelli where Tinopolis has chosen to be based.


Do you think that, over the longer term, S4C will struggle to maintain the same quality of staff if their HQ is somewhere else other than Cardiff?

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Jantra
Geronimo
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S4C in Carmarthen will be further away from the action in Cardiff, will struggle to retain talent, will do less to drive the wider media sector in Wales. URGH!


Talent will be remain unaffected because, as I said above, S4C doesn't produce programmes. Much of the output is produced in Cardiff. S4C will retain a Cardiff presence also.

If anything, the real home of Welsh TV production at the moment is Llanelli where Tinopolis has chosen to be based.


Do you think that, over the longer term, S4C will struggle to maintain the same quality of staff if their HQ is somewhere else other than Cardiff?



Are you saying that the further away you get from Cardiff, the less quality workmanship you get? We're talking mainly admin and sales roles here, so lets not pretend S4C's current offices are a hive of creative activity (aside from the media centre which is occupied by independents that would stay anyway)

Long term, I think S4C's greater concern should be the inevitability of being absorbed fully into the BBC. I think by 2020 we'll be looking at a BBC Cymru television service in the same way Scotland has BBC Alba.

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Geronimo
Jantra
Geronimo
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S4C in Carmarthen will be further away from the action in Cardiff, will struggle to retain talent, will do less to drive the wider media sector in Wales. URGH!


Talent will be remain unaffected because, as I said above, S4C doesn't produce programmes. Much of the output is produced in Cardiff. S4C will retain a Cardiff presence also.

If anything, the real home of Welsh TV production at the moment is Llanelli where Tinopolis has chosen to be based.


Do you think that, over the longer term, S4C will struggle to maintain the same quality of staff if their HQ is somewhere else other than Cardiff?



Are you saying that the further away you get from Cardiff, the less quality workmanship you get? We're talking mainly admin and sales roles here, so lets not pretend S4C's current offices are a hive of creative activity (aside from the media centre which is occupied by independents that would stay anyway)

Long term, I think S4C's greater concern should be the inevitability of being absorbed fully into the BBC. I think by 2020 we'll be looking at a BBC Cymru television service in the same way Scotland has BBC Alba.


I'm not saying that, I saying it is harder to attract better quality staff. Much in the sane way you're not going to attract the very best business talent to Cardiff as they will prefer to be in London, likewise the best staff are more than likely want to live in or around Cardiff

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Retreating to the heartlands Should have gone down the Bay and become part of the media hub down there. If the writing weren't already on the wall

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RandomComment


S4C in Carmarthen will be further away from the action in Cardiff, will struggle to retain talent, will do less to drive the wider media sector in Wales. URGH!


I would have thought that media is one of those industries where location was least important. For example Tinopolis is based in Llanelli, and it doesn't seem to have done them any harm.

Apparently S4C have struck a very good deal with the University in Carmarthen, and are getting a brand, spanking new building, probably with loads of cheap labour from Uni interns. The Ty Glas offices are a horrible old shed anyway, and weren't going to last much longer.

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Lyndon
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S4C in Carmarthen will be further away from the action in Cardiff, will struggle to retain talent, will do less to drive the wider media sector in Wales. URGH!


I would have thought that media is one of those industries where location was least important. For example Tinopolis is based in Llanelli, and it doesn't seem to have done them any harm.

Apparently S4C have struck a very good deal with the University in Carmarthen, and are getting a brand, spanking new building, probably with loads of cheap labour from Uni interns. The Ty Glas offices are a horrible old shed anyway, and weren't going to last much longer.


perhaps S4C can move their news teams to Ynys Mon to be even further away from government

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Its not a coincidence ITV co-located with BBC in Manchester, or lots of media companies are setting up near the BBC studios in Cardiff. Its because media is one area where there are quite strong co-locational benefits. Less so at the corporate management level than the production level; but there are benefits in locating management and production together too.

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RandomComment
Its not a coincidence ITV co-located with BBC in Manchester, or lots of media companies are setting up near the BBC studios in Cardiff. Its because media is one area where there are quite strong co-locational benefits. Less so at the corporate management level than the production level; but there are benefits in locating management and production together too.



S4C is still going to have a presence in Cardiff, sharing the BBC's facilities.

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Yawn. TG4 in Ireland has devolved its operations to the Irish speaking regions of Ireland to be closer to the communities it represents. As it stands, S4C has an office in Caernarfon (Where it's 80% Welsh speaking) and one in Cardiff. Carmarthenshire already has Tinopolis and Theatr Genedlaethol Cymru so this makes sense. You'll also find that many people will simply commute from Cardiff as Carmarthen is only 15 miles away from the M4.

If Janta thinks that there are no brains outside Cardiff then he is gravely mistaken. And anyway, why would anyone want to live in the rathole that is London?

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Mathew Hywel
Yawn. TG4 in Ireland has devolved its operations to the Irish speaking regions of Ireland to be closer to the communities it represents. As it stands, S4C has an office in Caernarfon (Where it's 80% Welsh speaking) and one in Cardiff. Carmarthenshire already has Tinopolis and Theatr Genedlaethol Cymru so this makes sense. You'll also find that many people will simply commute from Cardiff as Carmarthen is only 15 miles away from the M4.

If Janta thinks that there are no brains outside Cardiff then he is gravely mistaken. And anyway, why would anyone want to live in the rathole that is London?



Who said there aren't brains outside Cardiff? You dont understand what is written. I have said that it would be easier to acquire better staff if the offices were based in Cardiff.

By the way its jantra, unless you were referring to your beloved party leadership in which case it's junta

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Jantra
Mathew Hywel
Yawn. TG4 in Ireland has devolved its operations to the Irish speaking regions of Ireland to be closer to the communities it represents. As it stands, S4C has an office in Caernarfon (Where it's 80% Welsh speaking) and one in Cardiff. Carmarthenshire already has Tinopolis and Theatr Genedlaethol Cymru so this makes sense. You'll also find that many people will simply commute from Cardiff as Carmarthen is only 15 miles away from the M4.

If Janta thinks that there are no brains outside Cardiff then he is gravely mistaken. And anyway, why would anyone want to live in the rathole that is London?



Who said there aren't brains outside Cardiff? You dont understand what is written. I have said that it would be easier to acquire better staff if the offices were based in Cardiff.

By the way its jantra, unless you were referring to your beloved party leadership in which case it's junta


To be fair, I would say these days S4C's priority is to survive rather than worry about attracting better staff.

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Geronimo
Jantra
Mathew Hywel
Yawn. TG4 in Ireland has devolved its operations to the Irish speaking regions of Ireland to be closer to the communities it represents. As it stands, S4C has an office in Caernarfon (Where it's 80% Welsh speaking) and one in Cardiff. Carmarthenshire already has Tinopolis and Theatr Genedlaethol Cymru so this makes sense. You'll also find that many people will simply commute from Cardiff as Carmarthen is only 15 miles away from the M4.

If Janta thinks that there are no brains outside Cardiff then he is gravely mistaken. And anyway, why would anyone want to live in the rathole that is London?



Who said there aren't brains outside Cardiff? You dont understand what is written. I have said that it would be easier to acquire better staff if the offices were based in Cardiff.

By the way its jantra, unless you were referring to your beloved party leadership in which case it's junta


To be fair, I would say these days S4C's priority is to survive rather than worry about attracting better staff.


do you think their ability to survive would be enhanced by having better quality staff (or certainly a larger staff pool to choose from)?

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Mathew Hywel
And anyway, why would anyone want to live in the rathole that is London?



From personal experience: the best media jobs are here.

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Ben in London
Mathew Hywel
And anyway, why would anyone want to live in the rathole that is London?



From personal experience: the best media jobs are here.


ignore him, he is a rabid nationalist who thinks the world begins and ends in Wales

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Not really. I'm from Wales but have spent a lot of time living in Berlin and Norway.

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Mathew Hywel
Not really. I'm from Wales but have spent a lot of time living in Berlin and Norway.


fine. would you care to enlighten me why you think London is a rathole then?

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It's ugly, dirty, dangerous, unaffordable, unfriendly, full of idiots and is fast becoming a giant Monaco with Jerusalem's walls. It drains the rest of the country of its wealth and talent and is generally a sprawling nightmare. Fine for a weekend of museums, galleries and theatres but otherwise a horrible grey soulless headache with next to no quality of life.

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Although it does have an amazing gay scene which is the only reason I go there.

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Mathew Hywel
It's ugly, dirty, dangerous, unaffordable, unfriendly, full of idiots and is fast becoming a giant Monaco with Jerusalem's walls. It drains the rest of the country of its wealth and talent and is generally a sprawling nightmare. Fine for a weekend of museums, galleries and theatres but otherwise a horrible grey soulless headache with next to no quality of life.



but Berlin, which is of a similar scale to London has all of what you want? strange really. I think London is a great city and has lots to offer.

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London is twice the size of Berlin by population. And is much, much bigger geographically.
I just believe that people make a city, and not buildings necessarily.

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Mathew Hywel
London is twice the size of Berlin by population. And is much, much bigger geographically.

that's why I said of similar scale
Mathew Hywel

I just believe that people make a city, and not buildings necessarily.

I agree, having known, worked and socialised with many Londoners I'd say they are just like everyone else: some good, some not so good.

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I agree. It's not black and white. However, London may have the jobs and opportunities, but the basics aren't right like affordable rent and housing. To me, that's where Cardiff wins hands down.

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Mathew Hywel
It drains the rest of the country of its wealth and talent


I'll take that as a compliment.

Re: S4C to move HQ out of Cardiff

Ben in London
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-26581667

This will dissuade well-qualified dual language speakers from joining.
If you speak Welsh and English and want a career in the media why would you move to Camarthen?


If you speak fluent Welsh and English chances are you don't live in Cardiff, you live in a more rural area of Wales, so would you want to move to Cardiff? Many people who work in Cardiff runaway to a small town or village in the Vale as soon as they're paid enough.

Nearly 60% of those living in Camarthenshire claim to be Welsh speaking compared to 15% in Cardiff and VoG. So how many serious Welsh speakers would rather bring-up their children in an area where speaking Welsh was the norm?

I think some BBC Radio Cymru broadcasts come from their Carmarthen studio, so there's a Welsh language broadcasting presence there already.

UWTSD (from what I've heard) are pretty hot on the Welsh language side of things, so co-locating with them makes sense.

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mustrum_ridcully
Ben in London
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-26581667

This will dissuade well-qualified dual language speakers from joining.
If you speak Welsh and English and want a career in the media why would you move to Camarthen?


If you speak fluent Welsh and English chances are you don't live in Cardiff, you live in a more rural area of Wales, so would you want to move to Cardiff? Many people who work in Cardiff runaway to a small town or village in the Vale as soon as they're paid enough.

Nearly 60% of those living in Camarthenshire claim to be Welsh speaking compared to 15% in Cardiff and VoG. So how many serious Welsh speakers would rather bring-up their children in an area where speaking Welsh was the norm?

I think some BBC Radio Cymru broadcasts come from their Carmarthen studio, so there's a Welsh language broadcasting presence there already.

UWTSD (from what I've heard) are pretty hot on the Welsh language side of things, so co-locating with them makes sense.


Welsh media types tend to speak both languages yet are not paid well enough to move out of Cardiff.
Cardiff is the clear media centre of Wales. The media in Wales is surprisingly multilingual. Speaking Welsh is the Cardiff equivalent of the Oxbridge shortcut in London.

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