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Re: One Capital Square

This is the last post on this matter as it's completely off topic.

I can promise that the requirements at validation stage which you talk about are the same across the country, as is the arguably ridiculous need to need permission to change a window if you live in a flat or development without permitted development rights. Perhaps the Tories should have relaxed those areas of development control. As for taking 7 months for the submission of the tick box documents, I agree that they would often seem unnecessary. But again, it is a national requirement, set by central government and is the same everywhere. The fact that it's taken 7 months sounds like you too have probably been slow in providing what they've asked for or stubborn, getting you nowhere. If not, Appeal!

I'm sure the Cardiff planners couldn't give one about your minor works either, relative to the larger developments and many other applications received, but are required by the government to assess the proposal and grant permission, by reason of the legislation.

Re: One Capital Square

redragon
This is the last post on this matter as it's completely off topic.

I can promise that the requirements at validation stage which you talk about are the same across the country, as is the arguably ridiculous need to need permission to change a window if you live in a flat or development without permitted development rights. Perhaps the Tories should have relaxed those areas of development control. As for taking 7 months for the submission of the tick box documents, I agree that they would often seem unnecessary. But again, it is a national requirement, set by central government and is the same everywhere. The fact that it's taken 7 months sounds like you too have probably been slow in providing what they've asked for or stubborn, getting you nowhere. If not, Appeal!

I'm sure the Cardiff planners couldn't give one about your minor works either, relative to the larger developments and many other applications received, but are required by the government to assess the proposal and grant permission, by reason of the legislation.


Yes it is restricted development rights? Why though, what is the purpose when houses around the corner were built without windows but doors in their place. Why can they have doors but I cannot?

The story of this planning app is convoluted but let's just say the vale of Glamorgan have demonstrated that planning is a tick box exercise. You've not explained why they have asked me to give them information they already have. Providing a customer service would entail getting the information on my behalf if its at their disposal. You forget some of us work in the service sector and go out of our way to provide good quality customer services. Why can't the state do the same - because its a monopoly and abuses its position through force that's why.

Just to explain this point further the council emailed the documents to me which were then emailed straight back to the council. You wonder why I suggest the system is process driven and not results based. It's for reasons like these where state workers aren't allowed to deviate from the process even if the end result is the same. The whole system is a mess and it would appear that your continued defence of Cardiff council planning indicates you work for that department. If they are anything like the vale (why shouldn't they be) then they need to be disbanded and start again with a whole fresh outlook. Their very existence stunts the growth of Cardiff. Planning departments are very poor at customer service and output delivery. Useless utterly useless.

You've still not answered who in the council seems it sensible to grant planning permission but not permission to pile? Perhaps we will build astro city on the site

Finally, back to permitted development rights - who places this condition on new developments, the government through legislation or council as conditions of the planning process?

Re: One Capital Square

If such checks weren't in place then more things like this http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-man-vows-fight-keep-1855134 would happen.

I don't know the nature of your house, Jantra, but things like this are used for a reason not just for shits and giggles.

Re: One Capital Square

SP
If such checks weren't in place then more things like this http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-man-vows-fight-keep-1855134 would happen.

I don't know the nature of your house, Jantra, but things like this are used for a reason not just for shits and giggles.


What possible reason could it be that the council wants to stop me putting a French door in place of a window (or at least be informed of it) but allow others in the neighbourhood to have them as part of the new build?

Do French doors kill all crops within 50 miles? Do French door give kids cancer? What possible reason could it be that a council would want to know about this 'development'

As for your article, I can't see why there is a problem. It's his house, the windows needed replacing. Surely an individual should be free to choose the style of window they prefer. Such 'conservation' areas are a tool of state oppression. It is one person or a group of people deciding what is important and forcing their views on others who may not share those views.

It also has to be said that it cannot be a good use of planning officers time, taxpayers money or use of the courts time to argue a point about a window. There isn't a rational reason why the council would follow this up other than to control how an individual wants to live. Its a disgrace that the state would seek to oppress an individual in this way. What harm to society will come from having these windows in situ?

Re: One Capital Square

Let's end this conversation about the glorious French doors Jantra wishes to install and get back to the topic.

Re: One Capital Square

redragon
Let's end this conversation about the glorious French doors Jantra wishes to install and get back to the topic.



There's nothing glorious about them, I wish there was. But yes, let's get back to topic

Re: One Capital Square

As someone who regularly submits planning applications in both England & Wales I can say from my experience there is no difference between local authorities in England and Wales. both systems are the same bureaucratic process.

Also - Detailed structural designs for piling are very expensive and rely on a lot of information gathering (core samples etc.) The design is sometimes still being worked on during the start of construction. Planning applications are often submitted without the full information to ensure it will be approved and any issues sorted prior to starting. Conditions like this are normal and will be discharged as part of the process.

Re: One Capital Square

Jantra
SP
If such checks weren't in place then more things like this http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-man-vows-fight-keep-1855134 would happen.

I don't know the nature of your house, Jantra, but things like this are used for a reason not just for shits and giggles.


What possible reason could it be that the council wants to stop me putting a French door in place of a window (or at least be informed of it) but allow others in the neighbourhood to have them as part of the new build?

Do French doors kill all crops within 50 miles? Do French door give kids cancer? What possible reason could it be that a council would want to know about this 'development'

As for your article, I can't see why there is a problem. It's his house, the windows needed replacing. Surely an individual should be free to choose the style of window they prefer. Such 'conservation' areas are a tool of state oppression. It is one person or a group of people deciding what is important and forcing their views on others who may not share those views.

It also has to be said that it cannot be a good use of planning officers time, taxpayers money or use of the courts time to argue a point about a window. There isn't a rational reason why the council would follow this up other than to control how an individual wants to live. Its a disgrace that the state would seek to oppress an individual in this way. What harm to society will come from having these windows in situ?


The difference is because Pen-y-Lan is a conservation area. The houses need to be protected. There is no problem with him replacing the windows, in fact the council allowed it. The problem is HOW he chose to replace them. The council said they needed to be similar and timer and uPVC are not similar.

Like I said, I don't know what your house is like whether it is Victorian and in need of preservation or a newer build where something like replacing a window with French windows would be less of a problem.

We do not own buildings. We look after them for future generations.

Re: One Capital Square

My house is 17 year sold on a brownfield site. Hardly conservation or of special national interest

Re: One Capital Square

The planning application was approved, so a start on this in a couple of weeks then ?😁

Re: One Capital Square

Kyle
The planning application was approved, so a start on this in a couple of weeks then ?😁


they need to get piling approval first. lets hope its agreed before Wales finally qualify for a major competition

Re: One Capital Square

Jantra
Kyle
The planning application was approved, so a start on this in a couple of weeks then ?😁


they need to get piling approval first. lets hope its agreed before Wales finally qualify for a major competition


Wait, you need piling for your french doors? I'm confused, how big are these bloody doors?!

Re: One Capital Square

I'm confused here. Why does One Capital Square require french doors? It seems a very odd feature for a speculative office development.

Re: One Capital Square

Cardiff International Capital Quarter innit. Probably got Venetian blinds an'all

Re: One Capital Square

Ash
I'm confused here. Why does One Capital Square require french doors? It seems a very odd feature for a speculative office development.


expands the potential tenants by including France and Canada. its win all the way

Re: One Capital Square

Work to start very shortly according to the video in this article http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/business-news/watch-businessman-behind-cardiffs-ambitious-7260946

quite good news too that they are in talks with 3 different employers for 2 Capital Square.

Re: One Capital Square

Yup that is all quite promising. Seems like this is the new "on the go" development. With Capital Quarter also doing not too badly either.

On the other hand, the Bay seems to have slowed right down. Not much else happening in Roath Basin. Cardiff Waterside looking to have stalled now the BBC has decided to go to the city centre (which really is understandable from a staff point of view). And nothing whatsover happening in the old Butetown area suggesting the council's plans for the Coal Exchange will have to be pretty special to drive investment in that area.

In terms of the 100,000 square foot occupier, who could it be?

Well one is Legal and General obviously. The other is Hugh James. But would be much better if it were one of the 'inward investors' looking to move some functions from London. And here the article itself says: PwC, HSBC and Barclays are considering the city. And previous articles have said an inward investor is looking to bring perhaps 1000 jobs to the city - which would equate to, you've guessed it, about 100,000 square feet.

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It is very promising isn't it ?

So :

- Barclays, HSBC and PwC are potentially looking for space on
top of the usual suspects like L&G and the various legal entities

- Planning permission for number 2 is being talked about
already (in relation to one of the above hopefully)

- Hopefully we get a start date on number 1 on July 14th as mentioned

I agree about the Bay, I'm really curious about what Aviva and Igloo will do next. That GloWorks building is designed to be one of a few and it's going to look quite lonely for a few years unless Igloo and the Welsh Assembly fancy taking some risk with more speculative space. There's meant to be some residential at Porth Teigr as well but nothing has been mentioned for years.

As for Cardiff Waterside, Number 3 has been filling up quite well so would they be prepared to build speculatively when most potential occupiers would be drawn to the enterprise zone city centre developments ? That Number 1 and Number 2 plot at Assembly Square doesn't look like being built any time soon but the more worrying part of their development is Pierhead Street. Maybe a change of use would be on the cards there ? Maybe residential ?

Re: One Capital Square

I'm increasingly thinking the pierhead street site might be used for the Arena/Conference centre that Cardiff Council want to build - if that still goes ahead - and if its big enough (I've looked, and it might be a bit tight).

Why? Because it looks like they've lost the Callaghan Square site with the WG building more offices on the south side of the square. Phase I could commence relatively shortly, although that could then lead to a bit of a glut on the market (given Capital Square 1, Capital Square 2, Capital Quarter 1 and Capital Quarter 2 - too many Capitals!) unless we do get a couple of Barclays, HSCB or PwC to committ to the city.

And the more I think about it, it could actually work fairly decently if they get public transport to the bay working correctly. In the short term they could put on a more frequent and longer train service on event nights. Together with the Bay Car this would provide quite a lot of capacity. You've also got large car parks at Cardiff Waterside and at Atlantic Wharf (which remains under-utilised). And in the medium-to-longer term you've got the proposed tram-train (which such a scheme might help facilitate).

Having the conference centre near the bay would surely give a good impression of the city - at least in the summer. There would be quite a lot of restaurants nearby (Mermaid Quay) And it would provide a boost to getting more hotels down the bay. I recall 2 hotels were planned as part of the Igloo scheme but its gone quiet - this could give them some leisure and conference customers too. And could see a hotel in the old Merchant Place scheme too.

The entrance for the Arena would have to be as far as possible from Celestia - close to the car park pedestrian entrance, say. And I'd probably make the Pierhead Street and Bute Place roads narrower to accomodate a bit extra space for the building, and to allow wider pavements. But it looks like a possible plan to me.

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