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Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Me
A 'bus only' lane, telescopic bollards, there must be several ways to allows buses to go where other transport cant.


Good Point. A bus lane or similar would probably need some form of physical barrier to prevent some drivers ignoring the restrictions and using the development as a rat run.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

good call on the transport points, that is Key and where Gov money should be going really..........both the link road and trainstation mentioned are damn good ideas.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

I understand that an application is being prepared - can't remember the exact date for submission, but I think it was this side of Xmas.

As I recall, there will only be one access into the site, from the Sanatorium Road end.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

You mean road access? I think there will be cycle/pedestrian access in the SE and NW corners, and possible pedestian only access under the subway and over the bridge halfway along the NE boundary. The image on the website also suggests a new bridge link across the Ely halfway along the SW boarder. Would be good to see that completed, hopefully for both cycle and pedestrian use. The cycle access obviously is the completion of the missing link in the Ely Trail, and is probably what interests me most about the development.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

What about flooding? Has that issue been raised?

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

The barrage reduced flood risk from a combined tide and river flow event but the site is still at risk of a 1 in 100 year river flood event. Any planning permission will include flood mitigation, probably one of the following:

*Ground raising within the central section of the site with lowered ‘pond’ sections provided so overall flood water storage volumes are not altered,
*Ground raising for the whole site and construction of drainage channels to divert floodwater flow volumes towards currently undeveloped land to the southwest of the river.
*Provision of flood defences along the North bank of the River Ely.

Atkins prepared reports for the Enviroment agency and Cardiff Council and this was their opinion.

Of course 100 years from now with the Greenland and West Antartic Ice sheets melting fast it will be flooding yearly as will the rest of South Cardiff.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Thank you for that Jeremy

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

I'd get a waterfront property in Victoria Park now then

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Hope it dont smell

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

What's the fuss with Victoria Park? I've never got the impression it's a great area. Thompson Park on the other hand is lovely.

Pontcanna does seem to be expanding westwood, but it's not going to reach Victoria Park.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Planning app on the council website now - interesting bit is that it shows access from Cowbridge Rd West as well as Sanatorium Rd. While this is a sensible decision, it will make a handy shortcut to escape some of the traffic chaos after a City match so presumably there will be various traffic calming measures installed!

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Frank
What's the fuss with Victoria Park? I've never got the impression it's a great area. Thompson Park on the other hand is lovely.


Vic Park is a nicer area to live than Thompson Park. It doesn't have the traffic or parking problems, the bus service is better and the housing is mainly Edwardian and requires a lot less work than the Victorian housing stock further east.

The house prices speak for themselves.

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/house-prices/canton/victoria-park-road-east/?q=Victoria%20Park%20Road%20east%2C%20Canton%2C%20Cardiff%20CF5&search_source=nav

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

House prices aren't the be all and end all. I'm just saying from my own experience having looked around a lot of properties in Canton that there is a divide around about Clive Road. East Canton = Pontcanna-lite, whereas west Canton just feels a bit grubby. It's not really to do with the quality of housing, which nowadays doesn't really feel like a great indicator of how good an area is. There's plenty of nice houses in Ely after all. Doesn't mean people want to live there.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Would it be possible to post a link to the application

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

House prices are a very good place to start: the price people are willing to pay for a property indicates what they think about the desirability of the property and the area. So if house prices are higher around Victoria Park than further east in indicates people prefer those houses and/or the area.

If you look on google streetview its quite clear that you can divide up the area in to 4 distinct areas from West to East:

- the area towards the West and North of Victoria park (towards the rail line and Pencisely Road) is pretty nice, in a somewhat suburban way.

- from the East side of the park to about Llandaf road its Canton proper: more working class, less nice houses. Incidentally South of Cowbridge Road is often a bit better than North here (not the case further East!)

- You then have a bit of a transition zone where it gets slowly nice as you move towards Pontcanna

- then Pontcanna proper which starts with Romilly and Wyndham crescents.

A bit off track here.

Planning apps can be found by looking at a monthly list for Canton.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Thanks for info on the linklink

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

RandomComment
House prices are a very good place to start: the price people are willing to pay for a property indicates what they think about the desirability of the property and the area. So if house prices are higher around Victoria Park than further east in indicates people prefer those houses and/or the area.

If you look on google streetview its quite clear that you can divide up the area in to 4 distinct areas from West to East:

- the area towards the West and North of Victoria park (towards the rail line and Pencisely Road) is pretty nice, in a somewhat suburban way.

- from the East side of the park to about Llandaf road its Canton proper: more working class, less nice houses. Incidentally South of Cowbridge Road is often a bit better than North here (not the case further East!)

- You then have a bit of a transition zone where it gets slowly nice as you move towards Pontcanna

- then Pontcanna proper which starts with Romilly and Wyndham crescents.

A bit off track here.

Planning apps can be found by looking at a monthly list for Canton.


Ash's list was for properties adjacent to Victoria Park. Yes, there may be some nice properties right next to the Park but I still think the area past Clive Road going West is grubbier than East Canton. I don't know the area north of Victoria Park but I suppose it might be quite Llandaffy. It might even be in the catchment area of BofL.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

alun
Would it be possible to post a link to the application


http://planning.cardiff.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=_CARDIFF_DCAPR_101774

If link doesn't work, the application reference is 12/01663/DCO

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Cardiff Ian
Planning app on the council website now - interesting bit is that it shows access from Cowbridge Rd West as well as Sanatorium Rd. While this is a sensible decision, it will make a handy shortcut to escape some of the traffic chaos after a City match so presumably there will be various traffic calming measures installed!


I've just been looking at the proposals - if I understand the proposals, the access to Cowbridge Rd West will be a bus link only.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Site clearance starting in November.



http://www.walesonline.co.uk/cardiffonline/cardiff-news/2012/10/15/plans-submitted-for-100m-urban-village-on-former-cardiff-paper-mill-site-91466-32030044/

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Alex
Site clearance starting in November.



http://www.walesonline.co.uk/cardiffonline/cardiff-news/2012/10/15/plans-submitted-for-100m-urban-village-on-former-cardiff-paper-mill-site-91466-32030044/


Caught the train to the (disappointing) city game yesterday, couldn't help but notice at least 10 different earth movers on the site clearing debris, drilling, digging etc...

Given the size of the site, if they are going to persevere with just 10 earth movers I cant imagine we'll see any houses on this site for a number of years yet!

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

murfilicious

Caught the train to the (disappointing) city game yesterday, couldn't help but notice at least 10 different earth movers on the site clearing debris, drilling, digging etc...

Given the size of the site, if they are going to persevere with just 10 earth movers I cant imagine we'll see any houses on this site for a number of years yet!


I would have thought they'd adopt a phased approach rather than clearing the whole site before starting building. It seems that most of the activity is at the Santorium Road end of the site so I suspect we may see construction happening there while the Ely Bridge end of the site is being prepared.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Just for information when the planning application was approved by the Council Planning Committee it included an insistence by the then committee that a space be left for a future railway station to be included on the City Line.
This does not mean that Network Rail have to put a station there but they did express an interest at the time when it was originally suggested.
Though as the council has changed political control it will probably end up being served by just a bus stop as you say.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.


As a former councillor who approved the original planning application on this site i seem to recall that only about 100 homes at most have direct highway access onto Ely Bridge. Though that may have changed with an application since 2012.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Has any building work started on this site? Anyone know when we can expect to see anything rising above ground level?

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

I would say so as I heard that someone dug through the water main there last week cutting off 10,000 homes.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

No building work of any note - still mainly seems to be ground remediation, carving up parcels of land and creating haul roads.
I'll post a picture or 2 when I get a chance

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Murfilicious
No building work of any note - still mainly seems to be ground remediation, carving up parcels of land and creating haul roads.
I'll post a picture or 2 when I get a chance


The new Ysgol Treganna on Sanitorium Rd. is more or less fully built. It's a good, attractive building and worth a look. I think I'm right in saying it's not, strictly speaking, a part of the paper mill development but it's directly adjoined to it.

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Murfilicious
I'll post a picture or 2 when I get a chance

Whoops, only slightly late - nothing to report really, the earth movers have left site now having cleared thousands of tons of concrete from foundations, hardstanding areas and car parks leftover from the days of the mill.

The quiet before the storm?



Meanwhile the railway bridges at Ely roundabout have had a lick of paint to advertise the new development - phrases like "Bridge the gap" have been added to images like these:



Hopefully some of the S278 money can be used to tart up the roads and pavement at this roundabout, it's pretty dreadful to use when pushing a buggy!

Re: Housing development on old Ely Paper Mill site.

Looking at those photos it's certainly an area with great potential. Good links into town, the river to the south and Leckwith Woods as a backdrop. Not bad I'd say.

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