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Cap Badges

On a recent forum about Orient ship names, the Orient cap badge was mentioned.

I have sent Steve photos of my cap and a close up of the badge from my time in 1970/71. At the time, I just thought it was a P & O Badge.

Oriana was First & Tourist class back then and we still wore long Whites. Our stripes on our Blues were on our sleeves.

Where are you from: Bilgola - Sydney Northern Beaches

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I was on Oriana 1967 - 68 when, Orient style whites, with the mandarin collars could be still worn, or "normal" whites.

Where are you from: Saundersfoot Pembrokeshire UK

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Where are you from: Bilgola - Sydney Northern Beaches

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greg that was the only cap badge I knew,I always thought it was p&o not orient line.I was on chitral in 68-69 and we had to wear blue mess jackets on decks but I think that was because captain cowan liked the rig.not company policy.thats power for you,but an expence for all the boys.

Where are you from: truro cornwall now mornington melbourne southern beachs

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Hi! I tried to get a copy of the badge I used to wear as an Assistant Purser in the 50s before integration with P&O. I am sure the badge shown in P&O> The references below may help if not google Orient Line Cap Badges and you will see the one with the Orient Line flag in the middle. Hope the following helps. At the moment Icant find my cap badge!!
Cheers, David.


image: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/1665/media-1665650/preview.jpg
image: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/547/media-547024/preview.jpg
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Object connections:

Provenance: Orient Line

Object details:

Object ID
UNI4130

Description
Black wool cap badge of the shipping company Orient Steam Navigation Company Limited over a core. The badge contains a white rectangular flag of applied ribbed silk fabric embroidered with a blue cross overall of twisted silk thread. Applied gold coil outlines the flag and cross. In the centre of the flag there is a red velvet crown with gold coil and embroidered with metal purl and polychrome silk threads. The flag is surrounded by laurel leaves of black thread work and stems of applied black coil. The badge is attached to a black mohair cap band.

Date made




Credit
National Maritime Museum, Greenwich, London

Materials
gold; metal; mohair; silk; velvet; wool

Measurements
Overall: 65 mm x 280 mm x 10 mm

Parts
•Cap badge, Orient Steam Navigation Company Limited (UNI4130)


Read more at http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/75340.html#tX2kO5MiGPvTk2JK.99

Where are you from: Lorne Victoria originally Woodford Green Essex (and Worcester during the war)

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HI Steve and Geoff. Having look at some of the earlier photos from your form pages Steve it appears that the P&O cap badge on the left would have been in the earlier days and after integration with Orient Line and the right hand cap badge from certainly the 80s and maybe earlier.

I will try and source the actual dates if I can but I hope perhaps some of the seafaring seadogs of the 70/80s would know when the change over happened?

Cheers, David.

Where are you from: Lorne Victoria originally Woodford Green Essex (and Worcester during the war)

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Hello Steve and Geoff
I've had a look through my photos posted on this site and the badge on the left was in use in 1970 and the badge on the right with the P&O flag was in use in 1980. At least this narrows the change-over date to within ten years!
David

Where are you from: Ipswich, UK

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The change was when they created Passenger Division, 1972.

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David Saunders
Hello Steve and Geoff
I've had a look through my photos posted on this site and the badge on the left was in use in 1970 and the badge on the right with the P&O flag was in use in 1980. At least this narrows the change-over date to within ten years!
David


The badge on the left was the one I wore from joining in November 1971. It would have been 1973 when we changed over to the other uniforms I think.
I was working on Oronsay, an Orient Line ship, at the time.
We changed from long whites and jackets and ties (Orient), to open necked shirts and shorts, long socks and white shoes (P&O).
That was the same whites I had on my first trip on Pando Head, which was a P&O ship.
We also changed from having our stripes on our sleeves to having them like the mates, on our shoulders. ( not a good step that one)

I think it was about that time we had to reregister in our home ports.
We had new Discharge Books, which did not have the Conduct and Ability sections in them.

Where are you from: Yorkshire

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This photo was taken in 1973.


But never mind cap badges, when did Leckies stripes change from zig-zag to straight. When I joined in 1969, I had zig-zag stripes and when I left at the end of 1974, I had stright stripes like 3rd engineers.

Where are you from: Ipswich originally, now Chandlers Ford, Hampshire.

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Hi Greg
Is the WAP Eve Maas ?

Where are you from: Wilmington, Sussex

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David Stott
Hi Greg
Is the WAP Eve Maas ?


The guy in whites looks pleased to see her, whoever she is.

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Is that the young you Greg? I love the side burns and how have our hair styles changed since then!

Cheers, David.

Where are you from: Lorne Victoria originally Woodford Green Essex (and Worcester during the war)

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David Stott
Hi Greg
Is the WAP Eve Maas ?


It is indeed. Now Eve Smith. We married in '79. The guy is Peter Link, AP.

Where are you from: Ipswich originally, now Chandlers Ford, Hampshire.

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Nice one Greg. I have always said that Engineers and Pursers staff got on well together. They certainly did in my day!

Cheers, David.

Where are you from: Lorne Victoria originally Woodford Green Essex (and Worcester during the war)

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In the late 40s – late 50s I was a very keen ships spotter and spent many hours in North Woolwich watching ships leave and arrive at the Royal Docks as they passed through the lock gates to or from the Thames

Two very smart passenger cargo vessels that passed through the lock gates regularly were the Eva Peron and the President Peron of the Argentine State Line.

What I remember most was that they were very sleek vessels built by Vickers Armstrong and the ships officers wore powder blue uniforms, very ducky if you like that sort of thing.

On my journey home from these jaunts my treat was watching the steam reciprocating engines and coal hand fed boilers of the Woolwich Ferry paddle vessels. You never forget the smell of warm oil. Similarly, the smell of a motor ship.

Roger Monk

Where are you from: Dartford .Kent

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Roger Monk
In the late 40s – late 50s I was a very keen ships spotter and spent many hours in North Woolwich watching ships leave and arrive at the Royal Docks as they passed through the lock gates to or from the Thames

Two very smart passenger cargo vessels that passed through the lock gates regularly were the Eva Peron and the President Peron of the Argentine State Line.

What I remember most was that they were very sleek vessels built by Vickers Armstrong and the ships officers wore powder blue uniforms, very ducky if you like that sort of thing.

On my journey home from these jaunts my treat was watching the steam reciprocating engines and coal hand fed boilers of the Woolwich Ferry paddle vessels. You never forget the smell of warm oil. Similarly, the smell of a motor ship.

Roger Monk


Interesting observation about the uniforms - unusual in any country's Navy or Merchant Marine. I am guessing they reflected the Argentine national colours - the flag is blue/white/blue in horizontal stripes and the blue is a light or "powder" shade.

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Greg.
Eve was on my first voyage to Australia on the Oriana l remember her well. Please pass on my regards to her. My nick name was Sooty. One day someone shouted across the Bureau "Stotty", WAP Linda Tattershall thought they said "Sooty" and the nick name stuck for a few years.

Where are you from: Wilmington, Sussex

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David Stott
Greg.
Eve was on my first voyage to Australia on the Oriana l remember her well. Please pass on my regards to her. My nick name was Sooty. One day someone shouted across the Bureau "Stotty", WAP Linda Tattershall thought they said "Sooty" and the nick name stuck for a few years.


OK. Will do

Where are you from: Ipswich originally, now Chandlers Ford, Hampshire.