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Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

I won't win any friends for saying so, but I don't think "hot rods" like this cobbled together heap of crap should be considered as a legitimate vehicle - let alone an historic one. Unless a hybrid vehicle meets modern standards of road worthiness (which it likely never will) it should be kept off the road. It is not an old car; it is a new car built from old parts. Motor manufacturers have to meet certain standards and mixing disparate parts like this is just stupid.

Location: Derby

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Classic &Sports Car September 2015
Controversy between the DVLA and BugattiOwners' Club is threatening to throw the subject of age-related registrations into turmoil. For many years, the BOC has been issuing its own BC-series chassis numbers to Bugattis of indeterminate origin-most obviously, vehicles built up from spares. Approximately 185 such numbers are beleived to have been issued and with them owners have, until now, been registering the cars in the UK as historic vehicles.

The DVLA then became aware that recently constructed Pur Sang recreations had acquired BC chassis numbers, and that those cars had been allocated age-related numbers. Although these replicas may be largely indistinguishable from Molsheim-built examples, as far as the DVLA is concerned they are brand new, and not entitled to a historic registration.

Following several years of negotiation between the BOC and Swansea solution has been reached. In a letter issued by the BOC, the club has advised its members that pre-war s Bugattis will be placed under scrutiny by the DVLA, with the onus being put upon owners to prove that their car is genuine if they hope to retain its age-related registration. In the case of an unrestored car with well-documented provenance, this should be straightforward. Problems could occur, however, with vehicles that have been restored or if the history is less well known.

The DVLA states that Reconstructed Classic Vehicles (which importantly, it differentiates from Rebuilt Vehicles) must be built from genuine period components from more than one vehicle, all of which must be more than 25 years old. A car built from new and used parts, or a replica employing some original components, is not entiltled to an historic registration.

The DVLA declined to provide C&SC with an official definition of what it considers to be a component, but without clarification of this point owners and restorers are at risk of falling foul of the law.

Anyone attempting to register a genuine rolling chassis of unquestionable provenance yet fitted with a replica of the original body- no matter how accurate it may find their application refused, with their only recourse being to apply for a Q plate.

The process of obtaining such a number throws up further complications in the form of type approval (IVA). A number of specialists that we spoke to speculated that it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, for a classic or vintage car to pass the test. Any car stripped of its registration could therefore end up in a state of limbo where it can’t be re-registered.

The DVL has began sending letters to small number of owners, requiring them to provide detailed information about their cars, including the age and origin of major components, as well confirmation of whether they have been rebuild, restored or entirely constructed in the last 25 years. It warns that “in some case Individual Vehicle Approval may be required and/or a Q registration number may be appropriate.

It also advises that while investigations are ongoing, applications to notify a change of vehicle keeper will not be processed.

Bugatti guru Tim Dutton reports that in 2014 his company suffered 30% drop in turnover, which he attributes directly to the rumours and uncertainty surrounding the controversy.

Location: Berkshire

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

Ben Mitchell
Classic &Sports Car September 2015....

Anyone attempting to register a genuine rolling chassis of unquestionable provenance yet fitted with a replica of the original body- no matter how accurate it may find their application refused, with their only recourse being to apply for a Q plate....



If this has been agreed between the BOC and the DVLA, it is worrying indeed.

Location: Derby

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

I think we need to wait for the result of the September meeting before we jump to conclusions.

It is interesting that the DVLA refused to comment on what a 'component' is, this suggests to me that they are fully aware of the issues with the poor wording of the rules.

Change a spark plug = Q plate as is, given it is a 'component' after all, but I can see no reason why this would persist as it defies logic.

Given that the FBHVC is now involved I can see the result of the September meeting is that the DVLA will re write rules to be more specific as to what componentry must be 'original' and unmodified, and what can be new.

I would expect these defined components to be based on the list of 'major components' in the radically altered vehicle rules. Perhaps too with points allocation. I guess the big question is with respect to bodywork on pre war cars with separate chassis.

A sensible stance would be to keep the 5 points for an original and unmodified chassis or monocoque body. Allocate an amount of points for an original body and raise the 8 points accordingly. But it needs to be possible to get enough points to keep the number without an original body, say if the majority of the other bits are original.

Just my thoughts, but it is clear that the efforts of the few has already spoilt the game for the many. I shall look down my nose at BOC members from now on. Well done boys

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

Hedd,
Isn't it always the case, reference your last sentence.
Greed has no bounds!
The DVLA's reaction has been a long time coming, BUT they do need to get their act together before THEY spoil it for us all.
Always the innocent that suffer when unaccountable bureaurocracy gets involved, not having thought things through properly.
Their 'component' says it all.

Geoff - This saga has legs.

Location: South Norfolk - Next to Suffolk

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

It might be an idea for the FBHVC to draw up a list of definitions as to what constitutes a component to present to the DVLA at the September meeting.

It would seem the DVLA has a reasonably simple and fair solution with their points system at the moment, an expanded version of this to include period modifications and reproduction components could be introduced for rebuilt/ modified vehicles. This would at least cover existing specials and rebuilds.
As for the modern replicas or non provable origin vehicles that may only have minimal original components but are owners club approved, the easiest solution would be to give them them a suitably modified IVA age related test, issue an age related number or Q plate and charge a them the appropriate road fund licence fee.

Location: Pembrokeshire

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And let's not overlook the fact that this whole problem is down to DVLA (or their predecessors)'s incompetance. If ALL the original registration records had been transferred to the computerised records, as we were assured they would be at the time, then DVLA would have all the details at their fingertips, and would not need to refer to marque experts or owner's claims to verify a revived vehicle.

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Phil Kingdom

As for the modern replicas or non provable origin vehicles that may only have minimal original components but are owners club approved, the easiest solution would be to give them them a suitably modified IVA age related test, issue an age related number or Q plate and charge a them the appropriate road fund licence fee.


So you want to legitimize the whole replica industry? Such as Pur Sang, the "English Type 35's", endless numbers of Bentleys and Jaguars? In fact the list goes on?

An age related IVA test? Now that would be complex to administer?

Once that door was legally opened I think it would be serverly abused?

Rebuilding cars, rebodies, period specials with significant original components is one thing? But brand new old cars is from where this problem stems and it doesn't seem correct?

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The replica business is not a new thing in the 1930s replica Rolls-Royces were sold by several company's 1920s RR chassis with new 1930s bodies and these were sold to the public as replicas. In the case of the Bugatti's there would appear to be a collection of new replica spare parts with the odd original part thrown in, the BOC and I assume the VSCC seem to think that these new vehicles are as good as the old originals, they look, perform and handle like the originals and as such have the same inherent safety issues as the originals. As long as all the new spare parts are interchangeable with the originals, I cannot really see a problem with them apart from them passed of as genuine original cars.

An age related IVA would be simple enough to police, as we are not talking about the current safety and emissions regulations, as long as the vehicle complied with the original manufacturers specifications it would be OK. The date of the replicas manufacture noted and an appropriate tax rate applied to it.

The main issue we have here is not really the vehicles themselves, the new/old cars, specials, rebuilds and registration prefixes,all these have been around for ages, it is that the DVLA / Government feel that they are loosing tax revenue to these vehicles, by declaring them as replica historic and excepting them as such they will be able to reclaim their lost revenue.

Just as a footnote, a few years ago there was a batch of new Austin Maestros found in kit form that did not get exported, although these were original manufactures parts they were still new old cars when they were assembled.

Location: Pembrokeshire.

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"Oh! what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to decieve". ---------Sir Walter Scott (Marmion)

Location: Derby

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Hedd Jones
I think we need to wait for the result of the September meeting before we jump to conclusions.

It is interesting that the DVLA refused to comment on what a 'component' is, this suggests to me that they are fully aware of the issues with the poor wording of the rules.

Change a spark plug = Q plate as is, given it is a 'component' after all, but I can see no reason why this would persist as it defies logic.

Given that the FBHVC is now involved I can see the result of the September meeting is that the DVLA will re write rules to be more specific as to what componentry must be 'original' and unmodified, and what can be new.

I would expect these defined components to be based on the list of 'major components' in the radically altered vehicle rules. Perhaps too with points allocation. I guess the big question is with respect to bodywork on pre war cars with separate chassis.

A sensible stance would be to keep the 5 points for an original and unmodified chassis or monocoque body. Allocate an amount of points for an original body and raise the 8 points accordingly. But it needs to be possible to get enough points to keep the number without an original body, say if the majority of the other bits are original.

Just my thoughts, but it is clear that the efforts of the few has already spoilt the game for the many. I shall look down my nose at BOC members from now on. Well done boys


DO YOU KNOW THE EXACT DATE OF THE DVLA MEETING? WHO IS GOING ON BEHALF OF THE A7 MOVEMENT? IS THERE AN AGENDA TO DISCUSS?
THANKS

Location: East Sussex

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

FBHVC article states

"On Wednesday 23 September the Driver and Vehicle
Licensing Agency will be holding a Historic Vehicle Event at
Swansea. The three hour event aims to provide guidance
on various matters relating to the registration of historic
vehicles including the V765 scheme, reconstructed classics
and age related registrations. There are limited places
available and invitations to FBHVC members and V765
representatives will be sent out by the Agency soon. Places
will be restricted to one representative per club. "

As to what clubs are attending your guess is as good as mine.

Location: Australia

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

Letter in ~Classic Car Weekly 26 August 2015

Age-related numbers
My MP approached the DVLA on my behalf regarding the issue of age-related numbers. received a reply stating that it would like to reassure me that the procedures and processes around historic vehicles have not changed. The DVLA does not intend to inspect all historic vehicles and potentially withdraw their historic status.' This does not seem to be correct. In the recent past an age-related number could be obtained provided the chassis components were all from one year and model of a particular car. This had to be confirmed by a club authentication officer. A replica body could be fitted or even one that was not to the original design Now the application form for an age-related number states the vehicle must be 'comprised of genuine period components all over 25 years old' and adds that your vehicle won't get an age-related number if it includes new or replica parts. DVLA will give your vehicle a Q-prefix registration number. Your vehicle must pass the relevant type approval test to get a Q-prefix registration number. have replied that it is impossible to restore a car without using new replica parts. Nearly all old cars would have to be modified to pass the IVA test, so they would no longer be to their original design, would be devalued, and part of our heritage would be lost. Car restoration is a billion-pound industry. Firms that make replica parts, especially bodies, will be badly hit if these new rules are not rejected. have asked the DVLA to reassure me that the statements in the above paragraph are a mistake and will be removed from the application form. I await its reply
Chris Gould, via email

Location: East Sussex

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

Just as a matter of interest, I attended a classic car show this last weekend where there was a mid-60s Wolseley Hornet - you know, the Mini with a boot - sporting very new-looking Q-plates. Unfortunately I couldn't locate the owner to find out the story, but to my eye it looked totally authentic - it certainly wasn't a recent restoration, nor did it appear to be a hotch-potch of parts. It had a well-worn original interior and matching paintwork which, if not original, was very old.

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

Ed
FBHVC article states

"On Wednesday 23 September the Driver and Vehicle
Licensing Agency will be holding a Historic Vehicle Event at
Swansea. The three hour event aims to provide guidance
on various matters relating to the registration of historic
vehicles including the V765 scheme, reconstructed classics
and age related registrations. There are limited places
available and invitations to FBHVC members and V765
representatives will be sent out by the Agency soon. Places
will be restricted to one representative per club. "

As to what clubs are attending your guess is as good as mine.



My Father, Howard Palmer, is coming back early from holiday on the continent to attend the meeting such is the importance of the A7 world being amply represented. I am sure he would appreciate support from other Austin seven clubs.

Stuart.

Location: Teignmouth

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

Stuart
I am surprised no one has replied to this, unless I've missed it elsewhere on the Forum. The meeting is by invitation only to FBHVC members and V765 Club representatives. Looking in the back of the A7CA grey magazine there are 18 A7 Clubs listed. Probably not all have a DVLA representative but most of the larger ones do. I know for a fact that my A7 Club rep applied and has since been notified that his application has not been granted. Presumably one of the other 18 reps has. We can only hope that it has been granted to a well experienced one. Of course this will have applied to all car clubs of all makes. Some will be solus clubs, perhaps with 50 or 60 owners, but many will be like us, 4 - 5000 owners, with independent clubs around the country. Again only one will be selected to represent owners.
Do we know who is representing the A7 world?
This meeting is therefore not open to all so your father might be disappointed if he turns up to this meeting (where ever it is in Swansea as only the invited will know) and expects to get in.

Location: Inside the M25

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The VHRA will be attending the meeting - they've received an invite. Applications were well and truly over subscribed apparently. I'll let you know the results once I've heard.

Location: Flatlands of Norfolk

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I imagine the Vintage Hot Rod Association will be somewhat concerned about originality! The wrong outcome of this meeting will have far reaching effects on many aspects of our motoring interests.

Location: Inside the M25

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Funny you should say that David, but checking out the VHRA stand at the Classic Car Show last year, I noticed that they took great pains to make sure the modifications were all in period, so I think most of them would be fine!

As far as the standard hot rodders, I think they could be in real trouble unless they want to build the cars to IVA specs...

Location: Near Bicester.

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

I agree about the cars at the Classic Car show. Great examples of craftsmanship but wonder how they will get on now if someone unearths a pre-49 US car without paperwork and decides to turn it into a hot rod even under VHRA rules? Must be similar problems to building an A7 special with or without paperwork under the 'new' rules to register changes.
Had a quick glance at the IVA specs overview, not for the faint hearted.

Location: Inside the M25

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

Possibly there may be a positive side to tightening up the rules as far as hot rods - I call them hybrids - are concerned. For too long many have been masquerading, if not as historic vehicles, then at least "old" cars. Apart from the VHRA and others who are at pains to encompass original parts where they can, the majority of these cars are effectively new builds. As such, I would have thought the IVA specs would go some way to ensuring the safety of such vehicles. In many cases, the power to weight ratio would appear to be quite dangerous. That said, there is no evidence, as far as I can tell, that hot rods are any more likely to be involved in accidents than conventional old cars. I am just trying to find a positive angle to this fiasco but it's not easy!

Location: Derby

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

So what would DVLA do with this 1927 Bugatti on eBay

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=121759198387&globalID=EBAY-GB

Location: Dorset

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

Douglas
So what would DVLA do with this 1927 Bugatti on eBay

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=121759198387&globalID=EBAY-GB



This car has got a VW beetle V5c and is registered as a VW not Bugatti.

Location: East Sussex

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

The fact is that in 2006 a well known member of the Bugatti Club reported a car to the DVLA because it had a Pur Sang new chassis. Had he been really concern he should have reported 75% of the 185 or so cars with BC chassis numbers (Bugatti Club number) with a majority are of new construction and all constructed in the UK.
The details of each car are on the Bugatti Register, which is there to see, there is only 3 Pur Sang cars in the UK which are all registered with the BOC.
We are all seeing an enthusiast using the DVLA as a weapon in his personal vendetta against his fellow entusiast. This is a well known person in the Bugatti Owner’s Club, he should be named and shamed, The irony is his car is one of the BC numbers.
No doubt some blame lies with the DVLA who kept it under the carpet for nearly a decade.
All this is having a very big impact on British businesses.
Liam

Location: East Sussex

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

David Waller
Stuart
I am surprised no one has replied to this, unless I've missed it elsewhere on the Forum. The meeting is by invitation only to FBHVC members and V765 Club representatives. Looking in the back of the A7CA grey magazine there are 18 A7 Clubs listed. Probably not all have a DVLA representative but most of the larger ones do. I know for a fact that my A7 Club rep applied and has since been notified that his application has not been granted. Presumably one of the other 18 reps has. We can only hope that it has been granted to a well experienced one. Of course this will have applied to all car clubs of all makes. Some will be solus clubs, perhaps with 50 or 60 owners, but many will be like us, 4 - 5000 owners, with independent clubs around the country. Again only one will be selected to represent owners.
Do we know who is representing the A7 world?
This meeting is therefore not open to all so your father might be disappointed if he turns up to this meeting (where ever it is in Swansea as only the invited will know) and expects to get in.


I'm not quite sure why his name wouldn't be one of the 18 other reps on the list? However as they are cutting short their autumn holiday to be back for the meeting I'm sure his application must have been accepted.

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Ray White
Possibly there may be a positive side to tightening up the rules as far as hot rods - I call them hybrids - are concerned. For too long many have been masquerading, if not as historic vehicles, then at least "old" cars. Apart from the VHRA and others who are at pains to encompass original parts where they can, the majority of these cars are effectively new builds. As such, I would have thought the IVA specs would go some way to ensuring the safety of such vehicles. In many cases, the power to weight ratio would appear to be quite dangerous. That said, there is no evidence, as far as I can tell, that hot rods are any more likely to be involved in accidents than conventional old cars. I am just trying to find a positive angle to this fiasco but it's not easy!


The VHRA were extremely helpful in getting my Model A based T 'hybrid' registered - and apply their originality rules stringently. They were set up to give traditional modified US cars a legislative voice and have put on some brilliant events too.

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Location: Flatlands of Norfolk

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Liam McDermott

No doubt some blame lies with the DVLA who kept it under the carpet for nearly a decade.


I hold no brief for the DVLA - they can be difficult, dysfunctional and downright obtuse. However they do oversee the licensing of 35 million vehicles and have clearly trusted old car clubs and and owners to self police our piddling little volumes of vehicles (after all, do any of us pay DVLA road tax?) The fact that a new PurSang got allocated an age related number (and a magazine profile as such in Octane)shows that people aren't as perhaps honest as they should be and that DVLA has reacted (whether stimulated or not it doesn't really matter).
In my perfect world we should pay road tax, self police registration applications according to rules that we agree with DVLA and that DVLA should perform a regular audit on the quality of our self policing.

To paraphrase our colonial cousins you can expect no representation without taxation.

Charles

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Ray White
Possibly there may be a positive side to tightening up the rules as far as hot rods - I call them hybrids - are concerned. For too long many have been masquerading, if not as historic vehicles, then at least "old" cars.


Whether or not a "hot rod" is entitled to be classed by the DVLA as a "historic vehicle" is simply a matter of whether it has at least 8 points under the existing rules.


Ray White
Apart from the VHRA and others who are at pains to encompass original parts where they can, the majority of these cars are effectively new builds. As such, I would have thought the IVA specs would go some way to ensuring the safety of such vehicles. In many cases, the power to weight ratio would appear to be quite dangerous.


But the IVA test doesn't directly deal items like the power to weight ratio. It's really about whether the construction of the vehicle being tested meets modern norms, so if you don't mind fitting hydraulic disc brakes to the front of your Bugatti replica (front brakes must be self adjusting) don't mind modern rocker switches (no sticky out stuff on the dashboard) and so on, you can get any vehicle (incuding a hot rod) through the IVA test. There's some further light reading in the (large) PDF downloadable from here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/iva-manual-for-vehicle-category-m1

Location: Kent, UK

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Thank you Stuart. An education.

Location: Derby

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I understand from an owner friend that there are now almost twice as many Bugatti type 35s in existence than were ever made by Bugatti...

Location: Ripon

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Duncan Grimmond
I understand from an owner friend that there are now almost twice as many Bugatti type 35s in existence than were ever made by Bugatti...


................but fewer than "Ulsters", I suspect!

Location: Herefordshire, with an E not a T

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

I think the same goes for Rileys, there are more Blooklands 9s, Imps, MPH's and Sprites than were ever made!

I amuse myself identifying fakes at all sorts of events and I'm amazed, taking Rileys as just one example how many Monacos, Kestrels and Falcons are masquerading as sports models and mysteriously some of these cars are supposed to have history... I think this sabre rattling from the DVLA is a bit of a wake up call for the old car movement and clearly demonstrates that we've had an easy ride compared to many other countries and the skulduggery of a few looks like it could spoil it for all of us.

Location: Near Bicester.

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Careful chaps, They may be fakes as such, but many are based on an original chassis and running gear. As many manufactures of the time sold rolling chassis's the customer had a choice as to which body went onto the chassis,remember that company's like Rolls-Royce only sold rolling chassis's at one time. The choice of body design was down to the customer and many of these cars went on to be re bodied over the years, I owned a 1925 RR 20 HP it was sold as a rolling chassis bodied as a limousine, 11 years later it was re bodied as a 1936 drop head coupé by the Southern Motor Company who sold cars as replica Rolls-Royces the coupé body was destroyed in an accident and I had a copy of it made,This sort of thing has been going on for years with no problems, so putting an Ulster body on a Chummy chassis and doing a few modifications to the engine and suspension should not in fact be a problem for the DVLA, even a pile of bits dragged out of a barn an reassembled as a car should not be a problem if they can be identified as mainly original components.
The problem we and the DVLA have is that vehicles are being made up from mainly reproduction spare parts and being passed of by people who should know better as original and then being registered as such. This is such a grey area, and it would appear that all old cars will be tarred with the same brush. Sensible guide lines need to be draw up by clubs and the DVLA to cover such situations. With the system we currently have it is possible to build a reproduction modern car from spare or replacement parts as it will pass the current IVA test, what is needed is an age related IVA test like we had with the old MOT tests to accommodate older, rebuilt, replica, or modified cars specifications and originality. The matter of Q plates and taxation can them be determined, the important thing is that the car is on the road and usable, if after spending hundreds of hours and thousands of pounds building a replica or special a Q plate and a couple of hundred quid a year road tax is rather irrelevant.

Location: Pembrokeshire

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

Spot on Phil, there are replicas, rebodies and those cars with a genuine history and it's important that those lines don't become blurred.

Location: Near Bicester.

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I agree. Phil, that seems to sum it up nicely.

I just hope that the fun element is not lost. There seems to be little point in a hobby if all the fun has been drained out of it. I get enjoyment from fettling with my old cars. Others will like to see if they can enhance the performance of their specials. My hope is that we will continue to be free to use our cars as we always have and carry on having fun with them.

Location: Derby

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Any news from the meeting?

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Stuart Palmer
Ed
FBHVC article states

"On Wednesday 23 September the Driver and Vehicle
Licensing Agency will be holding a Historic Vehicle Event at
Swansea. The three hour event aims to provide guidance
on various matters relating to the registration of historic
vehicles including the V765 scheme, reconstructed classics
and age related registrations. There are limited places
available and invitations to FBHVC members and V765
representatives will be sent out by the Agency soon. Places
will be restricted to one representative per club. "

As to what clubs are attending your guess is as good as mine.



My Father, Howard Palmer, is coming back early from holiday on the continent to attend the meeting such is the importance of the A7 world being amply represented. I am sure he would appreciate support from other Austin seven clubs.

Stuart.


Hi Stuart
Any news from your father?
Thanks

Location: East Sussex

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

Hi all there is an interesting article in Octane magazine October 2015 page 20-22. They asked DVLA some specific questions most have been covered elsewhere but worth reading if your in the newsagents.

Location: Dorset

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Does anyone know if there has been a conclusion from the meeting on Wednesday?

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My Parents got home from holiday on Sunday, to find a letter from DVLA saying that he did not have a place at the meeting, to say he is disschuffed would be an understatement! He responded on the day that the invitation arrived by first class post, makes you wonder exactly who did get in???

Stuart.

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My guess is that with the sheer number of marque specific motor clubs out there, they have taken a broad selection, from bubble cars to Bugattis, Austins to AECs in an effort to cover as many as they can.

Location: Near Bicester.

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Surprise there is no news from people who attended the meeting on behalf of the various Austin Clubs, strange complete silence

Location: East Sussex

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Douglas
Hi all there is an interesting article in Octane magazine October 2015 page 20-22. They asked DVLA some specific questions most have been covered elsewhere but worth reading if your in the newsagents.



Hi Douglas
On the selves they have the November edition of Octane with a barn Ferrari on the cover is that the one?

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John Maguire
Douglas
Hi all there is an interesting article in Octane magazine October 2015 page 20-22. They asked DVLA some specific questions most have been covered elsewhere but worth reading if your in the newsagents.



Hi Douglas
On the selves they have the November edition of Octane with a barn Ferrari on the cover is that the one?


No it is the one with the Aston Martin DB6, October.

Location: Dorset

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Liam McDermott
Surprise there is no news from people who attended the meeting on behalf of the various Austin Clubs, strange complete silence


I suspect that a version of Chatham House rules (or a D Notice) are in force.
I hope so otherwise the deafening silence suggests that nothing of value happened or that the room was full of unconcerned individuals (both bad outcomes)

Charles

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We may have to wait for newsletter number 2015 /5 to be published by FBHVC perhaps.
Dave.

Location: Sheffield

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Looking at the FBHVC website newsletter archive this could be early October.
Dave.

Location: Somewhere in the Northern Powerhouse

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Dave Wortley
Looking at the FBHVC website newsletter archive this could be early October.
Dave.


Surely somebody from the A7 clubs who where present at the meeting are aware of the outcome.
Unless they sworn to secrecy to keep us in the dark

Location: East Sussex

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

Well here's a link for you as to how the meeting went from our man with the VHRA.

http://www.vhra.co.uk/VHRA/News/Entries/2015/9/27_DVLA_Historic_Vehicle_Event.html

Location: Flatlands of Norfolk

Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all
Re: DVLA New Rules which are going to affect us all

The FBHVC Newsletter 2015 issue 4 gives much background also.

Based on the regualr meetings between the DVLA and the FBHVC on This statement particularly interested me.

''On the thorny subject of replacement bodies DVLA explained
that, although they fully understand that the traditional
coach built wooden framed body has a finite life which is
undoubtedly shorter than that of the metal components
of the chassis etc and that as such replacement bodies are
unavoidable, within the rules to which they have to work
a major change of body style is not acceptable. A newly
built body true to the original should not be a problem''.

Clearly not what special builders want to hear, but I think it is good news in terms of the historic side of things.

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