If you're saying teaching starts with parents and is supplemented by teachers then I'd agree. My point about socialism is about the state per se. Its not the best at delivering education and the continuing monitoring and control doesn't actually makes things better. I've continually argued for the reduction in size of state on the basis that the state doesn't really know better and hinders rather than helps. The socialist argument is that this government assumes that we can all be equal in terms of ability and that is just not the case. You've even suggested this yourself on that some children hold back others.
The answer is to look at what others are doing however it is not going to happen as we have politicians who place political dogma over practical application. Welsh labour aren't interested in making things better, they have had 14 years to make things better and on every single measure Wales is falling further behind. Despite the failure of left wing thinking in developing Wales the welsh will never consider alternatives. Therefore the electorate and the electorate alone has to take responsibility for the failure our nation has become and the fact our children are amongst the worst in the developed world.
Welsh language schools score more highly than English language schools. Why not make education on the medium of welsh only with English taught as a first language at primary education. Secondary education could be a mix of both languages. Then welsh isn't taught as a language and neither is English. Hence no time is wasted as claimed by some. Bilingualism early on helps become better at other languages later. Think how the Dutch and Danish have a high incidence of English fluency at an early age. The added benefit is that it would stop the perennial welsh language fascists going on relentlessly about a complete non subject
Jantra education begins with parents and too many ignore, maybe a minority, or do not make much effort with their children. That has a huge impact in the UK.
Even with the Comprehensive system selection, grading by ability in Maths or English has always taken place, difference in ability has always been accepted, equality in access to a quality education is the problem. The state is not the problem in Finnish education and does not have to be here either.
I agree that a bilingual education system for all in Wales would probably be best
in the long term but lets face it highly unlikely to happen.
The idea that we can learn from others is probably, with respect to PISA results, flawed, unless we learn from birth the Chinese language.
Author Malcolm Gladwell mentions the success of the Chinese at Maths in Outliers. His premise is finding out why some people in society seem to succeed above others. One chapter titled "Rice Paddies and Math Tests" seemed especially relevant to Chinese culture and the Pisa results:
"Take a look at the following list of numbers: 4, 8, 5, 3, 9, 7, 6. Read them out loud. Now look away and spend twenty seconds memorizing that sequence before saying them out loud again. If you speak English, you have about a 50 percent chance of remembering that sequence perfectly. If you're Chinese, though, you're almost certain to get it right every time."
The reason behind this, Gladwell writes, is because humans can store digits in a memory loop that last only about two seconds. In Chinese languages, numbers are shorter, allowing Chinese to both speak and remember those numbers in two seconds -- a fraction of the time it takes to remember those numbers in English.
Moreover, Asian languages such as Chinese, Japanese and Korean have a more logical counting system compared to the irregular ways that numerals are spoken in English. As Gladwell writes: Eleven is ten-one (十一 in Chinese), twelve is ten-two (十二) and thirteen is ten-three (十三) and so on.
Children in Asia thus learn to count faster than English-speaking children. Even fractions are easier for Asian children because they are more easily understood and conceptual. For example one-half (fifty percent) is understood as 百分之五十 (bǎi fēn zhī wǔ shí) or literally, fifty parts out of 100 parts. And because math is more easily understood, Asian children "get" math faster than their Western counterparts. This, Gladwell writes, has nothing to do with some sort of innate Asian proclivity for math.
Still the problem in the UK is we learn for the Test rather than learn how to think.
here is an interesting article. Basically it sums up just how Wales has changed in education, economy and health since devolution. Despite all of this, some people will still vote Labour or left wing alternatives.
We need a strong right wing business friendly party that puts educating our children amongst the heart of everything it does. We also need to start engaging the private sector in our healthcare system in an effort to increase productivity and remove the inefficiencies that blight the public sector.
A decade ago I would have got rather annoyed and defensive reading such an article. But no longer. It's a sign of my disillusionment with 14 years of under performance from Welsh Labour in devolved Government that I have begun to welcome articles like this (whether sneering in nature or otherwise) to be published to (hopefully) create a sense of shame!
Tis a pity however, that the author still has the nasty party DNA in his veins, as evidenced by comments about tax takes from alcohol etc.
Exactly! No wonder there have been some failures due to the half empty glass comments on this forum.
Thankfully the percentage of the welsh population support devolution and shall continue to inspire and be optimistic about our future.
Devolution surely must be a positive thing I just do not understand the negative comments I mean seriously would you rather a far away Parliament decide the future of Wales. (Parent says to child I know what's best so I make the rules in this house!)
Seriously how about not being so over critical and lets talk about how decisions can help our future,lets start talking about the positives!! I for one can see the difference since devolution all began. Excuse my grammar not my strongest point.
Bla Bla Bla... seriously now in large bold writing what would you do????
Please with some curiosity what is your back ground/profession
Is this a direct answer to whether devolution is good for wales or is it an attack on labour policies?
This is depressing!
The effects of direct tax and benefit changes differ substantially across the population.
If you are low paid, cuts to means-tested benefits and tax credits will outweigh the higher personal allowance.
If you are high paid you are also paying more tax as the higher rate threshold has been frozen. And if you have children and have somneone earning more than £50k a year you've lost child benefit. Thats about £1,000 a year lost for the first child, and £700 a year for second and subsequent children.
If you are childless and earning betweeen about £9,000 and £20,000 a year, you've gained from the higher personal allowance and pay less NICs. If you have between £20,000 and £42,000 you've gained from the personal allowance but pay more NICs... and at the top are probably worse off.
I'm not going to comment on whether this government has the right approach to cutting the deficit or not. But the increase in the personal allowance isn't the only change to direct taxes and benefits that affects 'take home income' of working families. For poorer ones, those with children, and those at the top of the income distribution, changes to tax probably make the falls in take-home income bigger than the falls in pre-tax income.. its 'middle earners' without kids, and especially couples without kids that have gained most...
Its about time the squeezed middle benefitted.
Seriously though, my statement was high level looking at the average. Across the various demographics as always you will get winners and losers. My point was that whilst inflation has eroded living standards due to flat wages, the decrease in tax rates have gone someway to offset that. Other factors, such as tax credits (which in itself is absurd) are also a factor (as you have said)
I'm also not sure that the very top earners are worse off. The top rate of tax has reduced by 5%. So they've lost the personal allowance but that's only 9k of income no longer taxed at marginal rate, they may have lost chb too but its hardly noticeable to high earners (who are morally bereft if they claim it)
Reading ccmb there were a couple of threads after last week's PISA results does anyone feel people are finally waking up to Welsh Labour's failure?
I expect that Jantra is about to go on bended knee to eat humble pie and give a grovelling apology to the great Marxist Edwina who single handedly has turned the Welsh economy around into one of the fastest growing regions in the UK. We might still be last but the GVA figures are closing in on the best.
Alternatively you can think that the statistics are a load of crock and show nothing much more than a slight bounce on rebased foundations resting on quicksand, liquifaction will follow shortly.
When you're starting from a smallest base then its easy to have the fastest growth. When gva is par with the second worst performing region we can celebrate
I agree. The fact that there isn't a credible opposition has much to do with it. The Lib Dems are a minority party appealing mostly to students and gentlemen farmers, Plaid are inextricably linked in the minds of many with the Welsh language and the Tories are a toxic brand no matter how unfair that may be to some people.
The Tories need a re-brand in Wales (I'm not suggesting they change colours from blue to red). The pick up seats in either the Costa Geriactica in north Wales where you have a significant amount of retiree's from over the border or places like Monmouth, the Vale or Cardiff North which are about the only places in Wales that correspond with the traditional middle class area's that are ten a penny in England. They simply don't appeal to the vast majority of Wales because in the minds of the voters they are associated with something that is quite alien to them.
The failing with Plaid is that they are appealing to a Wales they think exists rather than a Wales that actually does exist and that is exactly the same as the Tories. They can't sell their brand here the way they can sell it in the Home Counties because it's different and the people are different. They need to recognise this. I'm not a Tory but I do think a stronger Tory party in Wales may keep Labour on it's toes at least. As it is they seem content to be a permanent minority party here shouting from the sidelines.
The other failure is the weakness of civic society in Wales. Labour should be receiving a sustained and ferocious kicking over the Pisa results from the opposition and all parts of civic society. It should be vicious, personalised and relentless. The Senedd should be picketed and egged and Huw Edwards should be doorstepping the Minister for Education and demanding answers. There should be a lengthy examination by the press and television over what has gone wrong and Estyn should be hauled over the coals. Labour should be terrified about failing to improve Pisa rankings because they have been traumatised by the beating they have suffered. As it stands they are back in their comfort zone after a week. Business as usual.
I'll buy the eggs. Meet me at the Senedd at midnight.
did somebody mention tax?
I reckon the headline may be a bit misleading as the issue is actually nonpayment / collection of taxes ... and presumably taxes due from the private sector as well as being another example of inefficiencies and incompetence in the public sector?
No doubt some may feel that G4S, et al could deliver these functions more cost-effectively.
The (Welsh) Conservative MP quoted in this article suggests that the fault lies in a Government which is too large and complex: he's referring to the UK Govt and I could that extrapolate that Devolution provides smaller Government ...
What a crap website Wales online is amazing how infrequently they update stories their business and politics stories compared to rugby no wonder the public doesn't know crap the welsh government is when their the biggest news service in Wales.
I agree. It's a bit analogous to Cardiff airport - it's there physically but it's not worth bothering with.
I posted this elsewhere so can't be bothered typing it again
Wales continually benefits from the left wing approach to public service delivery. Bottom of the Pisa rankings, an economy that's the worst performing in the uk and a healthcare system in total disarray.
Yet if there was an election today the welsh would still vote to protect their benefits and welfare rather than look to see an improvement to service provision, prospects and opportunity
Please understand that there is a massive difference between devolution and the Welsh Labour Government. Since 1999, people in Wales have had the chance to elect the government of their choice. It is that government which has failed Wales, not the process of devolution. Devolution is irreversible, and I do see a time in the next 20-30 years when Wales will go it alone. The only reason Westminster wants to keep us is because of water (Birmingham and Liverpool would run dry otherwise) and Valleys cannon fodder for their illegal wars.
I wouldn't take much notice of these PISA tests. I'm an ex-teacher and I know that when they were taken, the children were told not to revise for them. The only thing Welsh people have to do is vote for any other party than Labour in 2016.
Thanks for the reply. You may not see the Welsh Government and devolution as being the same, but they are - the Welsh Government was a consequence of devolution.
I'm not a nationalist, I don't necessarily think the best person to legislate for my life is a Welshman. There are plenty of good politicians in the world who are not Welsh. I appreciate to some (not saying you) this might see anathema, but the Welsh aren't necessarily the best people in the world.
So with that in mind, I'd rather the best people legislate for me. Now from where I stand with my statistics hat on, you're going to get a better quality legislature from 63m people than you will from 3m people. We have seen the effects of Welsh governance: a failing NHS, a failing education system, a failing economy, reliance on public sector jobs, a weak private sector.
If we really needed devolution then why couldn't the MPs at Westminster deal with devolved issues alone? They managed to work on devolved matters before devolution so why not after? Why do we need to increase the size of the state: 60 AMs (for a population of 3m!!!), all the civil servants that 'support' them but stifle everyone else's life, the bureaucracy, the paperwork, the nonsense rhetoric in the papers (that never actually holds the talking shop to account).
As for your claim regarding PISA - I don't believe that students/pupils were told not to revise. The Welsh government have a duty of care to our children and that includes education. To suggest they don't take international testing seriously is hard to believe. I am not blaming the teachers, I am blaming the state interference.
We all know the state is truly incapable of dealing with education and health and it is best left to the private sector to deliver what is really needed, but the Welsh have demonstrated time and again they prefer failing services, benefits, welfare and handouts. If they didn't then they wouldn't keep voting for the same failed left wing approach to life.
Socialism, left wing theory, statism, it is all about control and standardisation. The thing is - we are not all the same. We are different, the sooner the Welsh appreciate we are all different and that we need to push forward those who are capable the sooner we can start developing a Wales that can deliver the wealth its people need to lead a good quality of life. You won't get that with Labour and you won't get that with the anti-business Plaid either.
Wales needs a paradigm shift otherwise we will fall further behind England and will forever more be reliant on English generosity for our living standards.
Finally, England is surrounded by water on three sides, I'm pretty sure if the English really wanted to they could manage to build a few desalination plants here and there
No, sorry. The Welsh Labour Government is not directly related to devolution. A Welsh Government is the consequence, but Wales doesn't have to be Labour forever.
So I suppose you'd prefer to pay for your prescriptions? And have Michael Gove in charge of the education system? And pay £9,000 a year for tuition fees? I agree that the process was a bit botched in that we should have transferred the Welsh MPs to Cardiff in the first place. I'm sorry to say that your view is in the minority as poll after poll after poll shows that people are happy with devolution in Wales and want more powers transferred. Like I say, if you're not happy with a Welsh Labour Government, then vote for another party. If you'd still be discontent well England isn't that far away.
why do people continue to engage with jantra, hes an arse, has an opinion and the lady is not for turning.
spoils a really good site.
I long for the time he had the tantrum and sodded off
Maybe some of you dudes also need to bugger off from this forum if all you can do is criticise the messenger rather than his messages.
In our marvellous Welsh Labour run utopia:
1) I tried to go to see an NHS doctor before Christmas (for the first time in at least 5 years) and was told that no appointments were possible within the next two weeks.
2) I made an appointment with my NHS dentist this week for a replacement filling. The first appointment available....17 March 2014.
3) I have booked 6 European flights for the first half of 2014 - all departing from across the border because we don't do flights to virtually any European cities from Wales.
I could go on, but let's not pretend that the NHS is world class and that Wales is connected to every corner of the world simply because we can't face the truth.
You have got a NHS dentist!!!! My other half and I pay £600 a year for bleedin Denplan which also does not guarantee a prompt appointment.
On the plus side the doctor gives pretty prompt appointments.
Perhaps I need to find a NHS dentist to afford your European breaks
Wizard - I'm not disagreeing with your points, but what do YOU think we should do about it?
Is this now the final post, then? No more can be said, we know how everyone feels and everyone is bored.
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