Design and Access Statement is available online:
I think viewed from the right angle its an attractive building. However, on pages 59 to 61 of the statement. However, from certain key viewing points, I'm not sure. See 55 and 56. It looks fairly unimpressive as you walk out the station, for instance, because it presents only a small 'side' elevation to the main part of Central Square - its front/entrance will be facing north east towards St Davids house.
Perhaps shows that the square won't really feel right until properly developed with new buildings around the full square.
Link doesn't work, as usual (how do they DO that??) but you can search using the application number 14_00385.
I think IF it gets built, and IF they don't mess with the design to save money that will be the best looking office building in Cardiff.
That's not saying much though, I admit.
This looks really good and is the type of office space Cardiff is missing architecturally (whether there is an economic demand for it is another argument).
The masterplan included in the DAS does show quite a small central square with quite a congested look. I was hoping for a nice large square in front of the station but i guess the smaller the space the less tramps will be able to colonise it. Most of the buildings will probably not get built anyway so we may end up with something bigger.
I good start - just need to get it built now.
In some of those images it has the feel of the Hauptbanhoff (sp) in Berlin.
It looks decent enough, but i really think the elevation fronting the river is a wasted opportunity, absolutely no activity at all. Can't say I'm much of a fan of the massing schemes fro central square, seems very busy!
Well if it happens! I'm loving it, looks like a good quality building that won't look terrible 5 years after it's built. Also regarding the whole area, well busy busy busy! but how much that actually happens may make for more space. Well we'll do what we always do and wait and see! or are we going to see 2-3 years of major construction and blitz the whole scheme
The building is in this week's planning applications
14/00385/DCI Full Planning Permission Expected Decision DEL
Received: 20/02/2014 Ward: CATHAYS
Case Officer: Lawrence Dowdall
Applicant: Mr P McCarthy Rightacres Property Company, Churchill Way, Cardiff,
Agents: Rio Architects, 21a Allensbank Road, Heath, Cardiff, , CF14 3PN
Proposal: 9 STOREY (B1) OFFICE DEVELOPMENT WITH SEMI-BASEMENT PARKING
At: ONE CENTRAL SQUARE, CITY CENTRE, CARDIFF, CF10 1EN
It would be great if this office space is needed. However let's not put the cart before the horse. We need to get jobs created here and then we'll work out where to put them afterwards.
Encouraging to see the site being cleared of 'flora and fauna' and given a general tidy up. I'm wondering if this means the June commencement of this development is looking increasingly likely? mind you there has been the occasional false dawn at this particular location if my memory serves me right!
I wonder what the chaps clearing the site made of you leaning over wall taking photos. did they shout 'the trains are the other way mate!'
No they shouted....
Heh paul you saddo! - we're not building a bloody glass needle now **** off before we call security AGAIN!!!
lol. They should use this land for parking until somthing gets built. I think the city is short of parking space. I think there is only about 10k of public parking space in the center and with the amount of office and retail space filled i think parking is comming up short.
Looking at the Millennium Plaza building (on the former Empire Pool site in the picture above), we never did see the proposed ....quote "Picadilly Circus" end of quote ..... large screen neon signage after all did we?
Good! It was a crap idea. Tacky adverting... Cash for gold anyone?
I can't access the story (its subscriber only content), but Property Week is reporting that Morgan Cole is close to signing at One Capital Square.
Other reports have suggested they are looking for around 30-40k square feet, so it would be a decent-size letting. But still a lot left to go.
Not eactly new business is it? more of the same going into the offices? What's next the lABOUR PARTY GOING TO MOVE FROM cATHEDRAL ROAD TO HERE?
Savills latest report (http://pdf.euro.savills.co.uk/commercial---other/regional-office-market-report-q1-2014-lo-res.pdf) suggests that 28,000 square feet has been taken by Morgan Cole (now called Blake Morgan following a merger). A little less than I thought they were looking for.
Better news is their estimate that take up will be over 200% (i.e. 3 times as high) in Q1 2014 than Q1 2013, and up about 100% (i.e. 2 times) for 2014 as a whole. This will reflect big deals by the likes of Legal and General, BBC and a raft of mid-sized deals.
Further to the above post, it seems take-up in the quarter was dominated by 2 large out-of-town deals.
Total take-up was 148,000 square feet in Q1, compared to a quarterly average of around 115,000 square feet (Q1 2013 was a bad quarter!!). Out of town take-up was more than 3 times normal (over 100,000 square feet), and in-town was only just over 1/2 the normal (at just over 40,000 square feet - which, if counted in Q1 figures, Morgan Cole would be the bulk of).
The big deals of Q1 were:
International Bacclaureate taking 48,500 square feet in Cardiff Gate, and
Velindre NHS trust taking 39,500 square feet in part of Companies House that has been vacated by Companies House!
The majority of this has been discussed elsewhere on here I think (purchasing of Marland House, St.David's House, the masterplan for the whole scheme etc.), but the bit relevant to this specific thread at the bottom of the article says
"This £30m development is due to be considered by the council’s planning committee this month and if approved, could be completed by next spring."
A couple of things stand out for me, firstly hasn't the application been in for a little while ? I might be wrong though.
Secondly, if it was considered this month and they are going to start it in June as planned that it's going to go up fairly quickly considering it's 130,000 square foot of space.
Could it really be ready by Spring 2015 ?
Its possible to build that quickly - but unusual. It could be that they have some tenants lined up who need the space quickly and they're going to rush to do this. Or it could be that the building will be externally finished by Spring 2015 but with internal fitting out taking place over the summer.
The planning meeting is tomorrow, and the Schedule of planning applications document can be downloaded from here, by click "Planning", then click "14 May 2014", and "Schedule of Planning Applications (21.56M)".
The application reference is 14/385/DCI, and the planning officer recommends planning permission be granted, but with 29 conditions!
Based on other developments in Cardiff, I would be very surprised if the first digger had arrived by June 2015 let alone the building finished.
Maybe they have already completed a number of the assessments and reports mentioned in the conditions, in advance of planning being granted, but that would be a big financial gamble.
There are 29 conditions but they're all sensible - which one's would you remove? The only one that seems a bit OTT is agreeing public art before construction starts.
If approved I don't see why it can't start pretty soon - most of the conditions are box ticking exercises.
I'm not suggesting any of them should be removed, or are not sensible.
Just in my experience the local planning authority can take weeks rather than days to review and approve a specific assessment/plan/report.
So with a rudimentary multiplication of 29 I would be surprised if development was to start next month.
I do hope it happens at that fast a pace though, set the example for other developments to follow.
Probably to help "speed things up". The granting of planning application may help with procurement of funding or finance. So allowing them to get planning permission before all the technical details are finalised may free up the resources to sort those details out. And it may mean they can progress on other bits of the process.
Sometimes Jantra, you do go out of your way to see the worst possible interpretation of public sector decisions. If it had been the other way round, and someone was complaining about the delays in getting planning permission because the Council wanted to get all these "operational" issues sorted, you'd be saying they should be more flexible and monitor and impose conditions after granting permission.
Always political isn't it?
No doubt you'll be telling us how the Tories are turning the process around since they came into power?
I think we can all agree that often planning can take longer than one would like, but that is largely dictated by Central Government - 8 week targets for gerenal applications, 13 for larger. Sounds like an age, but then look at the number of Officer's you've got against the number of applications being submitted.
Besides, this application would have been considered against the planning matters - whether it would be acceptable in principle, what the impacts on the site and area would be etc. I'd say that piling details are fairly minor when considering the greater picture and a construction/structural matter rather than planning matter. There's going to be a whole Building Regulations process to go through too before and during works.
I can't imagine that the developer is going to invest even more money in all the structural reports/tests etc before they are certain that planning permission will be granted. Realistically this could go either way at Committee, where the Councillors, not professionals get the final say. Although I'd assume it will be granted. Assumptions however don't mean formal permission.
The presumption in favour of sustainable development is an overused term by developers, taken from Central government documents, who want approval for whatever they/their client wants with little control. Don't be fooled -the workings/processes of most councils - and that includes London - are the same as those in Wales.
This is the last post on this matter as it's completely off topic.
I can promise that the requirements at validation stage which you talk about are the same across the country, as is the arguably ridiculous need to need permission to change a window if you live in a flat or development without permitted development rights. Perhaps the Tories should have relaxed those areas of development control. As for taking 7 months for the submission of the tick box documents, I agree that they would often seem unnecessary. But again, it is a national requirement, set by central government and is the same everywhere. The fact that it's taken 7 months sounds like you too have probably been slow in providing what they've asked for or stubborn, getting you nowhere. If not, Appeal!
I'm sure the Cardiff planners couldn't give one about your minor works either, relative to the larger developments and many other applications received, but are required by the government to assess the proposal and grant permission, by reason of the legislation.
If such checks weren't in place then more things like this http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-man-vows-fight-keep-1855134 would happen.
I don't know the nature of your house, Jantra, but things like this are used for a reason not just for shits and giggles.
Let's end this conversation about the glorious French doors Jantra wishes to install and get back to the topic.
As someone who regularly submits planning applications in both England & Wales I can say from my experience there is no difference between local authorities in England and Wales. both systems are the same bureaucratic process.
Also - Detailed structural designs for piling are very expensive and rely on a lot of information gathering (core samples etc.) The design is sometimes still being worked on during the start of construction. Planning applications are often submitted without the full information to ensure it will be approved and any issues sorted prior to starting. Conditions like this are normal and will be discharged as part of the process.
My house is 17 year sold on a brownfield site. Hardly conservation or of special national interest
The planning application was approved, so a start on this in a couple of weeks then ?😁
I'm confused here. Why does One Capital Square require french doors? It seems a very odd feature for a speculative office development.
Cardiff International Capital Quarter innit. Probably got Venetian blinds an'all
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