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Application for 36 and 38 The Hayes for new shop fronts. These are the unit currently housing an Italian restaurant and the old Spillers unit. I wonder if that means they have someone lined up? I'm guessing they do for Spillers at least as I'm not sure they would have wanted them out unless they had someone else willing to take the unit?

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Is the italian extending into Spillers by any chance?

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http://www.propertyweek.com/news/fish-therapy-grows-in-scale/5003228.article

Looks like there's a new spa on its way to the city at some point.

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My cod, if that plaice were to open then......

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Wizard
My cod, if that plaice were to open then......
the owners would be squids in...

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I was in the city centre last week and is was good to see so many people about and how many of the shop units are now taken up in the new part of St. Davids.

Lots of people went to the default possition of saying that St David's 2 would be too big and would be deserted like Queens West, glad to see that all the doubters were wrong. There was even a couple infront of me in Costas saying they had come down from West Wales for the day and I am sure I saw two people looking at a map of the city centre trying to find their way around. Looks to me as if Cardiff may be a destination of choice! A far cry from Cardiff the crumbling post-industrial backwater from when I grew up.

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A real mixed bag of news from the arcades recently. Just today we have news that Castle Arcade is 100% let with 2 new retailers due to open.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/08/10/castle-arcade-full-with-traders-91466-27030058/

but a few days ago we had an article about the arcade shopkeepers having a 'crisis meeting'

a few weeks before that there was an article about things looking up in the arcades, whilst around the same time other retailers were saying "no they aren't".

I get a bit frustrated with the arcade retailers. Some seem to think they can encourage 'charity shopping' by saying how bad things are and by complaining about people choosing the big retailers. It sounds a bit desperate to me and rather than make me want to shop there makes me wonder what they are doing wrong.

Good to hear that the landlords want a website (a bit like the Morgan and Royal Arcades) and it would be good to see some coordinated cross-arcade events and promotions. These are the ideas that are needed. I hate to say it but getting a few more chains into the arcades wouldn't go amiss either as like it or not it would probably drive some footfall.

A trend I find interesting is that a number of retailers have moved from Morgans/Royal to the High Street Arcade recently. The former is closer to SD2 and would be expected to benefit more from any 'spillover', but perhaps its pushed rents up as the owners seek to capitalise on interest from smaller niche chain stores who will soon find St Davids running low on the small units (but with a surplus of mid-large units).

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I reckon the Morgan Arcade are trying to clear out the independent riff-raff and get some top designer chains in.

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TK Maxx are opening a store in Culverhouse Cross retail park which is trying to attract more fashion retailers. One of the good things about Cardiff has been the lack of large fashion retail-parks which in cities like Swansea have sucked fashion spend out of the city centre. So i'm not sure this is a good development.

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Theres a planning app for a store called "M&Co" on 59-61 Queen Street. This is the store that French Eye has been in a seeming continual "Closing Down" sale - has it now finally closed?

Its a value fashion retailer.

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I noticed a sign for a Cafe Geleto on a shop opposite the castle (I think it used to be offices used by Kelly Recruitment services before). Presumably this will be an ice cream place.

Westworld in High St has closed and has now re-opened as a Bench store.

The High St arcade unit fronting High St is now some sort of University of Cardiff shop selling mugs, t-shirts etc. Bizarre. Not sure if that is a temporary measure or not.

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Interesting about Westworld - did they mostly sell Bench?

Bench had originally been looking at a store in St Davids where Saltrock went. Perhaps they pulled out when they got this deal, although its in a bit of an out-of-the-way location for a chain.

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I've only been in there a few times and they did sell a lot of Bench. I think Westworld was a small chain hq'ed in Manchester and they have recently gone under.

High St is a decent place for fashion I'd say - Floyds, Barkers, Bench, High and Mighty plus High St and Castle Arcade have quite a decent offering. I see High st as being a bit of a hub for fashion and restaurants/cafes.

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Seems the new unit on the Morgan Arcade next to Urban Outfitters is going to me a store called "Joules" - this is the country-clothing, equestrian and "think of the good life" store I mentioned a while back.

Their website is currently being upgraded but take a look at their blog.

http://weblog.joulesclothing.com/weblog/

Doesn't seem too pricey. See at John Lewis:
http://www.johnlewis.com/Joules/Brand.aspx

Be interesting to see how this does as Cardiff doesn't strike me as very country-pursuits. A few years back Cowbridge might have seemed a good place for them to go but I hear its not as thriving as it once was.

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Seems the new unit on the Morgan Arcade next to Urban Outfitters is going to me a store called "Joules" - this is the country-clothing, equestrian and "think of the good life" store I mentioned a while back.

Their website is currently being upgraded but take a look at their blog.

http://weblog.joulesclothing.com/weblog/

Doesn't seem too pricey. See at John Lewis:
http://www.johnlewis.com/Joules/Brand.aspx

Be interesting to see how this does as Cardiff doesn't strike me as very country-pursuits. A few years back Cowbridge might have seemed a good place for them to go but I hear its not as thriving as it once was.


It'll be interesting. If you think about the number of horse riding areas in South Wales and the fact that Cardiff is the main place to go shopping in the area then it should, in theory, go quite well. There's a fairly big horse riding community in the area.

I guess it depends on how well it is marketed I guess.

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Two things:

- looks like Fossil are wanting a store in Cardiff.
http://www.retail-week.com/property/fossils-best-year-ever-fuels-store-expansion/5016408.article

- theres a bit of confusion about urban outfitters
http://www.retail-week.com/sectors/fashion/urban-outfitters-to-open-smaller-format-uk-stores/5016357.article

Retail week has Urban Outfitters opening a "small" store in Cardiff, but the 22,500 square foot store announced will be one of their biggest. Their website says they will be opening "storeS in Cardiff" - so is there maybe a second smaller store coming as well? Could they be looking at putting an anthropologie in? Or is this just a typo?

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These websites going subscriber only are very frustrating, can only sometimes get into retail week articles via Google. Anyway, the article says that Urban Outfitters will be opening 2 stores in Cardiff and Spitalfields. Maybe it's been amended.

Not much sign of any fit out work there as yet. Was in Bath yesterday and the store there is all hoarded up.

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The owners of Queens Arcade have gone into admin -

http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/wales/38238-queens-arcade-owner-admin

According to the article it was making money so presumably a buyer will be found. I've never liked it. Despite the quality materials used I think it's poorly designed with a confusing layout and to my mind has always struggled to keep it's head above water. I wnder if it has a long term future in it's present format now that SD1 has been re-furbed, SD2 has been completed, the Hayes renovated and Capitol seemingly re-invigorated?

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The arcade's football is significantly up since SD2 opened apparently and lettings have also improved. Maybe St. David's partnership could buy it to further extend St. David's!

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How well is Queen's Arcade linked to SD1 & SD2? I imagine the logical step would be for the two to merge at some point in the future (if that's possible or even desirable).

On a side note, ITV Wales has a programme Thursday night at 7:30pm called Segar on Success featuring Laura Tenison (founder of Jojo Maman Bebe) that might be of interest to some in here....

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The centres are directly connected and combining them would push St David's up the biggest shopping centre rankings. Think it's 11th biggest in the UK now.

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SD1 and Queens arcade are directly connected although the connection is a slightly dingy affair.

I'm suprised footfall and lettings are up. Out of everywhere I though QA would suffer most once SD2 was completed. It has the Post Office and Argos but apart from that are there any big anchor tenants? New Look perhaps?

I really dislike QA. The pastiche entrance on Working St looks really poor now and the modern remodelling of the entrance on Queen St is bland to nth degree. Inside it benefits from the high glass roof letting in natural light but it's really fussy inside with what seems to be a collection of 'low rent' tenants and an unhealthy smattering of empty units. The sloping floors don't help either.

I avoid it like the plague, even as a cut through route.

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There is just something wrong with the Queens Arcade - don't really know what but it's just wrong.

Does anybody know what's going on with the old Sports World/Soccer Sport/whatever place on Queen Street opposite the Capitol?

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Why? Is there some work going on there?

I don't dislike the Queens Arcade, although the centre has certainly had its heyday. For a while it had quite a good tenant mix, with the likes of Nike Store, French Connection (I think), and a few other fashion stores. It also had Disney, the Pier etc. It has gone downhill a little, although it seems to have stabilised post-SD2. I can see why it would benefit - footfall has been dragged westwards and southwards away from the old focus on the Central and Eastern parts of Queen Street. Queens Arcade offers a direct route to the hundreds of people who park in the Civic Centre or who get on and off buses on Greyfriars road.

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Yeah it's had hoardings surrounding the outside for the last week or two, can hear some work going on inside when I walk past.

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Isn't that where Bank are going ?

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No Bank are in the old JD Sports unit - haven't they already opened there?

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No Bank are in the old JD Sports unit - haven't they already opened there?


Of course it is, I read an old sports unit and thought it was that.

It pays to read a post properly before replying.

I'll get my coat

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CF23
Yeah it's had hoardings surrounding the outside for the last week or two, can hear some work going on inside when I walk past.

Starbucks?

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Thats a good call. It's almost 50 yards from the nearest Starbucks so there is definately a gap in the market.

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On a general note there was a piece on BBC Breakfast this morning about empty retail space. They referred to Blackpool having 29% retail space empty, Altrincham 25%, Wolverhampton 23% etc.

The three examples they gave where the percentage of empty retail space had bucked the trend and had actually gone down were Bath, Guildford and Cardiff. Quite a strong performance given the current climate, SD2 opening etc and this sort of reflects what I see with my own eyes when walking around the city centre and some of the local shopping centres such as Albany Rd, Cowbridge Rd etc.

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Cardiff's vacancy rate was about 12% FYI. I'm not sure what area the survey covers - whether it is just Queen Street, or whether it also includes the rest of the centre.

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Depending upon the dates used, the statistic about Cardiff's space declining may be because a year ago there was a lot of 'new' empty space with SD2 opening,and thus, as it has filled up, then the total available space has declined.

A more informative measure is maybe the amount of let space in each location. If a big shopping centre opens this can ironically increase both the empty space and the let space simultaneously and give a slightly distorting headline figure?

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I appreciate stats can say pretty much whatever you want but I still think that retail has held up well in Cardiff. SD2 must be - factoring in those stores announced if not open - about 85-90% let.

Same with Queen St. Despite some relocations and a few high profile casulties it remains pretty bouyant, ditto Capitol centre. The arcades seem to be mostly let despite the doom mongering in the WME. Only Morgans Arcade seem to struggle for tenants and I'nm sure this must be some sort of startegy by Helical Bar to get higher profile tenants in.

Only St Mary St seems to be on the buffers and even then only a portion of it. In part that has to be something to do with the ongoing works and in part due to the high proportion of licensed premises from Wharton St southwards.

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I agree with you about the resilience - I didn't intend to give the impression that I thought the retail stats were misleading!

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The figures are just measuring the percentage of retail properties vacant, not their absolute number. In that sense the opening of St Davids will have clearly had a negative effect on these numbers, there are still over 30 units unlet. The same effect can be seen in Carmarthen where vacancies increased 8% following the opening of the new shopping centre there. The trend is clearly improving at the moment though.

On that note Pumpkin Patch, the kids clothing shop, are looking for a Cardiff shop manager. St Davids, or one of the three vacant units currently being worked on in the Morgan Arcade?

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M&Co are opening in the old Principles/French Eye store on Queen Street.

Never heard of them, I must admit, but they apparently have 300 stores nationwide.

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When I was in Scotland there was one in every little village I passed through! Kind of looked a bit like Peacocks to me but I've never been in one.

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Retail rankings from CACI -

http://www.caci.co.uk/492.aspx

Cardiff comes 16th in the UK by expenditure and behind Leicester, Norwich, Edinburgh, Bristol. I think the rankings are based on forecasts to a certain degree and it's not clear if SD2 has been taken into consideration and if so to what degree.

Swansea and Newport come nowhere near the top 50 which just goes to show how dominant Cardiff is in terms of retailin south Wales. In fact Swansea comes well behind places like Lincoln, Swindon, Gloucester, Chichester, High Wycombe etc etc. Fforestfach and MacArthur Glen Bridgend are both in the top 10 in their particular categories which must have an effect on Swansea city centre.

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I've seen the CACI figures before, and I must admit they confuse me. They just don't seem to make sense really, and they are quite different to the Experian data.

I've been to Swansea and High Wycombe, and I just cannot possible imagine how High Wycombe would outperform Swansea. Swansea may be underperforming for its size, but it's much bigger than the shopping options in Wycombe (from recollection)

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Agree with that, i used to live in Chichester and ther are hardly any shops of note, you could fit them all in mermaid quay.

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I find it hard to believe that Norwich has a bigger retail spend than Cardiff, it's not a big city. It is strange that Cardiff can be 6th in the Experian rankings and 10 places lower on this one.

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It looks as though it's based on (projected) retail spend than things like floor space and retail options.

On that basis it's conceivable, but still a little surprising/odd, that places like High Wycombe and Chicester would outperform Swansea and Newport.

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Both Experian and CACI estimate shopper-populations to estimate retail spend. They get very different results. CACI seems to work with a Cardiff shopper population of about 400,000. Which seems rather low given how important the city is to the whole of South East and South-Central Wales. I'm not sure what Experian work on. If I had to guess I'd say in reality we're somewhere in between. I reckon we might scrape into the top 10.

Even with SD2, I don't believe we rank over Leeds or Edinburgh for instance. But I'm almost certain we rank above Norwich, Meadowhall, Leicester.. and probably Bristol and Newcastle too.

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Looks like the fire really was the end of Floyd Clothing - an application to convert it from A1 retail to A3 cafe/bar use.

10/01756/DCI Full Planning Permission Expected Decision COM
Received: 21/09/2010 Ward: CATHAYS
Case Officer: Alan Groves
Applicant: Mr K Evans , Floyd Clothing, 23 High Street, Cardiff
Agents: , , , , ,
Proposal: CHANGE OF USE FROM A1 TO A3 (CAFE & BAR)
At: FLOYD, 23 HIGH STREET, CITY CENTRE, CARDIFF, CF10 1PT

Cardiff's indie sector doesn't seem to be holding up well to competition from the niche multiples.

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Personally I think quite a few of them lost their way quite a few years ago.

It's a shame in a way, but it's a sign of the city growing that instead of independants selling clothes from the likes of G-Star, Boss etc that many of these companies are opening up stores themselves.

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Two interesting things from HMV group.

http://www.propertyweek.com/news/hmv-charts-high-street-losses-despite-diversity/5006241.article

http://www.propertyweek.com/news/new-chapter/5006242.article

The first says that HMV plans to open a venue similar to its Birmingham HMV Institute (a music venue with a 20,000 capacity) in Cardiff, along with Manchester and Leeds. Not sure if it would be as big as the Brum one, or if it would compete with the LiveNation/Ticketmaster project to open a new venue at the Sports Village site. But potentially a big venue on the way which should be good for the city. But we do lack mid-sized venues too. Sort of 800 - 1500 capacity.

The second story is about a new fish restaurant that will be opened in Waterstones Cardiff. It seems they are trying to diversify their business and make more use of their ancillary space, which I'm guessing is becoming redundent as just-in-time deliveries get ever better.

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Two interesting and welcome developments.

I really hope HMV take on either the Square, or Liquid nightclub on St MAry Street. I think it would be ideal.

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Eh? Where are they getting 20,000 from? That's massive and obviously wrong.

It's more like 2,400 (see link below) which when put into perspective with James' excellent recommendation of 'The Square' would be a fabulous fit for a similar operation in Cardiff.

HMV

And a fish restaurant in Waterstones to boot. Whatever next! It sounds like quite an investment if the figures in that article are to be believed (unlike in the first article!).

Does that mean that they will be getting rid of lots of books to make room for it!

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I thought 20,000 sounded a bit on the large side! Thats an 02 after all.

Somewhere on St Mary Street would make sense, although I also know that the Capitol Centre has been trying to unload the old Odeon site for years and nightclubs have been spoken about before.

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But we do lack mid-sized venues too. Sort of 800 - 1500 capacity.


Millennium Music Hall (800), the SU Great Hall (1500), and the Coal Exchange (1000) are all in that range.

The point sits empty at 500. The fact that they just closed the Barfly might suggest they are looking at something that might compete in that kind of range.

Or maybe around the 2000 mark is right, between the Great Hall & CIA.

I wonder how the mix of people on St Mary St might work if it went there, with gig goers being kicked out into the stag-do madness. But maybe it would help to change the character of the place for the good.

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