Beddau does form a parrt of the metro plan. So maybe it would be reopened

There are two potential routes to Beddau - one is via Pontyclun and mainline which does not have much spare capacity.

The other is via Creigiau and Fairwater - would need new track but the trackbed is largely intact. This would avoid capacity limitations on the main line which would allow a station to be opened at St Fagans.

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catch up at the back

I thought it was Gorsaf in Welsh.....

Mrs Jantra was once giving me a lecture via email and I had responded in 'straightforward' terms. The thread was cut and paste into a football forum thread instead of the comment I wanted to make.

I only went back to the thread when it was too late to delete or edit.

Things are looking good will it make people change their mind about the Tories?

The Welsh government will take all the credit at the next election even though it was a cross party effort.

If this gets delivered the Tories can hold their heads high in south Wales again.
Labour did zip for our infrastructure

It is a cross party effort politically. More to the point the detailed business cases were developed by the WG who used an experienced team including ARUP and others as required. The business cases are very detailed and comply with the treasury guidelines using the “five case model".
Not sure we would have made as much progress had the DfT maintained responsibility for preparing the business cases. Decision on scope due sometime in next 2-3 weeks and will be made, I suspect, by small group of Snr DfT and Treasury officials with Justine Greening and George Osborne.

http://www.geowiki.com/New_Adlestrop_Railway_Atlas.pdf

Just found this map showing all the current and past railway lines, quite interesting stuff, must have been amazing to have seen it at the height.

"But maybe the WG were prompted by that report by the Cardiff Busines Partnership?"


I couldn't possibly comment......

The arguments about Beeching are endless and pretty fruitless.

What is clear is that is was a major mistake not to preserve the rail corridors for future rail or other transport use. Many useful plans have been totally stymied by the selling off of track-bed particularly in urban areas.

This is much more of a problem in England than in Wales. For instance the arguments over the route of HS2 would be far less if it had been possible to utilize sections of the old Grand Central Railway route.

I was in London today the tube really is a pleasure to use apart from the circle line lets hope we'll have something similar with the metro.

I wouldn't get that optimistic Huw - there isn't going to be a criss-cross network involving multiple changing points where you can opt for a myriad of alternative routes to reach your destination.

That earlier pdf was quite striking if the faint grey lines all represented closed passenger routes.Wow.

Also, does anyone know where roath station was, and what was parade station and why was it called that?

I think I'm in danger of becomming a train geek here.

I think Roath station was in Pearl Street (which I would say was Splott).

As for the Parade I'm assuming that there was a stop near to the Engineering building of Cardiff Uni which is on the Parade.

The Rhymney Railway terminus was situated on current Uni land north of Queen St Station adjacent to The Walk. This closed when the RR and GWR amalgamated in 1924 all passenger traffic was then re routed into Queen St (which had 6 platforms).
Pearl Street closed in 1917 as a wartime economic measure.

Fast forward to today: as well as electrification there should be new stations between Cardiff and Newport at St Mellons, Marshfield and Dyffryn / Celtic Springs. This could remove a huge amount of road commuter traffic at very little cost.

I see beddau is mentioned as a priority by several people, why is that?
Just wondering, as I've been there and it wasn't anything to shout about.

It also means 'Graves' in Welsh. Lovely name, spent a good chunk of my childhood there too. The station could help it become less stagnant. My mother, who worked in Cardiff, needed to take an hour long bus journey to get to work everyday. A train station would make the commute a bit easier and presumably stop in Cathays, Queens and Central

I think you may have missed my previous post on why the Beddau line is a priority. This is why.
http://www.thenewtowncentre.co.uk/

Beddau is not a final destination in its own right - it is at the end of a spur line which would pick up Llantrisant & Talbot Green before joining SWML at Pontyclun. It then goes via western Cardiff so Cardiff Central would be first stop - not Cathays - but it is about time that they re-opened a station at St Fagans.

I think a Beddau line should then continue east to St Mellons rather than north to Queen St.

I don't know much about railway engineering but everytime I go on the GWML it always seems as though there are acres of space to put stations in various parts of east Cardiff, particulalry Rumney, St Mellons and even places like Tremorfa and Splott.

Would it be so difficult to add a few stations and sort out the signalling so commuter trains could share the line? Would it be that expensive? Getting into the city centre from the east is a nightmare as soon as you get anywhere near the funeral home. Imagine a couple of park and ride stations in east Cardiff and how much traffic it would take off the road as well as the potential to develop further residential and commercial opportunities.

Eastern Cardiff also has the benefit of 4 tracks so commuter services could be separated from express line

Came across this....some interesting ideas

http://www.mgbarryconsulting.com/docs/10042012103742.pdf