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@bristol Tim
I agree with what you say. Just adding that I quite like bedminster. It may be south of the river but its got an edge to it
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Please note that I am not jantard. My initial comment about pontcanna and Cardiff was said tongue in cheek, sadly my little stalker struggles with differentiating reality from fantasy
As someone who lives in Canton I have to tell you that I certainly don't consider Pontcanna to be Canton and I doubt many people in Pontcanna would either! I wouldn't say we're separate communities but other than among the hip young people who might live in either not a lot of mixing goes on.
Since this is the Bristol thread I thought I would mention that Bristol lost 14000 private sector jobs between 2010 and 2012. This was the worst performance of any UK city. It came as a bit of a surprise to me as I'd never thought Bristol would be one of the hardest hit cities by the recession. The same report showed that 79% of the new private sector jobs were in London. I think Edinburgh came second which like London is a major centre for financial services.
This isn't meant as a gloat as of course many Cardiffians work in Bristol so I don't think problems there are somehow good for us, but it was a surprise. No doubt Jantra will tell us that what Bristol really needs is socialism and we should send them Comrade Hart and Carwyn the Caring to sort it out.
Yeah but London and Edinburgh have done best and their the real financial services cities! In what sense was Cardiff 31st out of 63 cities? In terms of net private sector job growth/loss?
Interesting news, the figures surprised even the city council. 14,000 is a lot of jobs lost although according to the report the city performs incredibly well under most other factors, which might explain why people don't feel like the city has been as hard hit in general. That or the data is inaccurate somewhere!
This is pretty neat, has economic summaries of the major towns and cities in The UK:
http://www.citiesoutlook.org/
http://www.citiesoutlook.org/summary/bristol
http://www.citiesoutlook.org/summary/cardiff
A comparison between the Cardiff and Bristol. The different categories are ranked out of 63/64.
Population 2012
Bristol: 698,600 (9/64)
Cardiff: 348,500 (23/64)
Employment rate July 2012 - July 2013
Bristol: 73.4 (16/64)
Cardiff: 64.81 (54/64)
Private Sector Employment 2012
Bristol: 270,800 (6/64)
Cardiff: 133,500 (16/64)
Public sector Employment 2012
Bristol: 105,400 (9/64)
Cardiff: 64,100 (13/64)
Working Age Population With No Formal Qualifications:
Bristol: 8.14 (49/64)
Cardiff: 9.65 (39/64)
Working Age Population With Qualification at NVQ4 level or above:
Bristol: 38.61 (10/64)
Cardiff: 38.19 (11/64)
Business Start-Ups Per 10,000 population 2012
Bristol: 44.09 (12/64)
Cardiff: 34.15 (31/64)
Business Closures per 10,000 population 2012
Bristol: 37.36
Cardiff: 31.85
Business Churn Rate:
Bristol: 2.04 (8/64)
Cardiff: 0.87 (24/64)
Business Stock 2012 + Growth Rate (2011-2012)
Bristol: 329.59 (11/64) +0.47% (9/64)
Cardiff: 263.13 (31/64) -0.35% (21/64)
Patents Granted per 100,000 of Population 2012
Bristol: 8.30 (7/64)
Cardiff: 4.88 (20/64)
Average Weekly Earnings 2013 (£2013 prices)
Bristol: 476.15 (21/64)
Cardiff: 480.8 (18/64)
Mean House Prices 2013
Bristol: £215,800 (11/64)
Cardiff: £187,900 (19/64)
Annual Mean House Price Growth Rate 2012-2013
Bristol: +2.71% (15/64)
Cardiff: +3.93% (7/64)
Housing Stock 2012
Bristol: 301,100 (8/64)
Cardiff: 148,700 (26/64)
Growth in Housing Stock
Bristol: 2,700 (3/63) +0.90% (6/64)
Cardiff: 600 (39/63) +0.41 % (39/63)
Life Satisfaction 2012-2013/ Change 2011-12-2012-13
Bristol:7.44 (23/64) +1.94% (15/64)
Cardiff: 7.40 (31/64) +0.27% (39/64)
Bristol Tim's stats are interesting - there is a slight caveat though.
Those stats are for the respective local authority areas and depend on what can be pretty random council boundaries. Cardiff's figures would be different, for instance, were the proposed Cardiff/VOG merger to go ahead. Similarly I think I'm right in saying that Portishead, which I would regard as a part of Bristol, isn't a part of the council area.
The population of Bristol LA isn't nearly 700,000 though? They must be including extra bits. I know Liverpool was one city that came out of this surprisingly well and it's figures included St Helens and Knowsley. The Centre for Cities probably has some merit, but you really need to look regionally to get a good picture but where you draw the boundaries will be a significant determinant to results.
Wonder why they left Rochdale out of the Greater Manchester example? It fits between Bury and Oldham and completes the 'circle'.
Can't be population because Rochdale is only 10,000 or so less than Oldham and is some 30,000 larger than Bury. Strange!?
Who knows? I guess they've left it out as it's not really 'attached' to the rest of Greater Manchester and it would appear cfc are only including adjacent council authorities if significantly large parts of the city sprawl over into them (and aren't distinct places of themselves e.g Bradford, Wakefield).
it is a bit odd. They probably figured the omission was necessary somehow, middleton itself looks like a fairly residential area, probably wouldn't have affected the stats much possibly, with its absence made up by including other places.
Both Bolton and Rochdale are listed as separate entries, so I guess one could figure out how much and what affect they would have had if they were included in CFC definition of Manchester.
Also, Cardiff needs to build more houses.
This is a better map of Greater Manchester and better illustrates the point.
My original point was that the gap,in the original 'map' should not have occurred. Rochdale Metropolitan Borough is part of Greater Manchester just as Bury, Oldham, etc. Bolton and Wigan are too despite the fact that they do not directly abut Manchester!
I'm inclined to agree with the comment in the first paragraph of Jantra's last post on the matter!!
Looking at that map I can see why they probably left Rochdale out; Bury & Oldham and the other council areas make quite significant inroads within Manchester 'proper' i.e. the M60, whereas Rochdale authority doesn't extend into it.
Ignore the M62...it doesn't fit your argument.
I give up! There's none so blind as those who will not see!
maybe this forum should be renamed manchesterenglandmap?
You talk a lot of sense!! Some good discussion points there!!
Your 'arguments' support the fact you know little of Manchester and its environs!! Enough said.
It's not an argument, and I know plenty about manchester and its environs, hence why I am able to talk about it.
Good Heavens! Your lack of knowledge of Manchester and it's environs is, apparently, matched by your lack of knowledge of the English language.
One of the definitions of 'argument' is "a discussion involving differing points of view; debate." I was under the impression that you and I had differing points of view in this debate!?
And? That doesn't make it an argument, not to mention you haven't actually made much of a case for yourself to even argue with, you just posted a fairly general and basic map of Greater Manchester thinking that would suffice. Anyway, it's all a pretty irrelevant tangent, which I'm not interested in seeing being dragged out. My dad is from Radcliffe btw. In short, you haven't a clue what you're talking about, and it'd be helpful if you were a little less petulant about it? Thanks.
In Bristol related news, the airport reportedly saw 6.1 million passengers in 2013 and plans for an arena have cleared another hurdle; I've heard of reports that Cardiff was looking to replace its current arena, but have heard and seen different proposals, so what is exactly happening with that?
My english is fine, I'm not writing my phd so I'm not really bothered about that. Besides, you haven't really counteracted my points, just insulted me. Anyway, I'm not that interested as it was a minor point; one that you seem to want to drag out, and in a petulant and rude manner. The fact that you can't seem to debate with people without insulting them and posting under a plethora of different aliases says a lot about you, and it's not good.
Anyway, the fact that you're from Rochdale doesn't make your opinion more accurate than mine (and both are irrelevant with regards to that CFC data) , especially as you don't live there anymore. Assuming you're really from there of course.
I have always enjoyed and respected your views, Jantra, butI lived in Rochdale for over 30 years so it could be said that I know it very well too! My views are gained from personal experience and not from those of family as is, apparently, the case with 'Bristol Tim'.
Cardiff and Bristol working together across a spectrum of areas is eminently sensible (transport, health, environment etc etc) There has to be a realisation that ultimately they are not a threat to each other so by harnessing the strengths of both cities it can lead to greater opportunities for citizens with the knock on effect of creating an effective economic base from which to grow prosperity for themselves and all places between.
On the way out there but well within Rochdale. Hamer is next then Smallbridge and Hurstead before LittleBoro' . Much changed since my youth. Rochdale was then an independent County Borough before the changes of the late Sixties. Progress!. It is now firmly set as a part of Greater Manchester - as are Bury and Oldham - and my initial point.
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