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Re: Bristol

Jantra
Bristol Tim
What do you mean?


Canton is Pontcanna


Technically I didn't say it wasn't!

Pontcanna is pretty distinct from the rest of Canton though, so it's here to stay unfortunately

I don't see the problem anyway, 'de-facto' Canton is a pretty large and diverse area, so people are going to break down and differentiate it into more manageable chunks one way or another. This isn't a unique phenomena and pretty much happens in every other city.

Bedminster (the Bristolian equivalent to Canton, of sorts) is pretty bad for this, being further sub-divided into Southville, Windmill Hill, Ashton and possibly even more areas. In fact, many of neighbourhoods in the city this happens, or they have quite blurred, arbitrary boundaries that don't correspond to the 'official' council defined ones.

Re: Bristol

Jantard
Every man and his dog knows that Pontcanna is a marketing gimmick dreamt up by estate agents in the 1980s. It doesn't exist and anyone who says it does is, frankly, deluded.


We've discussed this before but here goes.

In local Government terms Pontcanna is the northern portion of the Riverside electoral division rather than a part of the Canton division.

I think you're right that most Cardiffians would regard Pontcanna as part of Canton but you can have "places within places" eg Cogan is part of Penarth, Pantmawr is part of Rhiwbina and Saltmead is part of Grangetown. Pontcanna is part of Canton.

As for the name being dreamed up - that's simply untrue. Pontcanna farm stood where the TWW/HTV studios were later built and was demolished in the 1950s.

Re: Bristol

@bristol Tim
I agree with what you say. Just adding that I quite like bedminster. It may be south of the river but its got an edge to it

@ash
Please note that I am not jantard. My initial comment about pontcanna and Cardiff was said tongue in cheek, sadly my little stalker struggles with differentiating reality from fantasy

Re: Bristol

Jantra
@ash Please note that I am not jantard. My initial comment about pontcanna and Cardiff was said tongue in cheek, sadly my little stalker struggles with differentiating reality from fantasy


Don't worry I can spot the difference!

Re: Bristol

Ash
Jantra
@ash Please note that I am not jantard. My initial comment about pontcanna and Cardiff was said tongue in cheek, sadly my little stalker struggles with differentiating reality from fantasy


Don't worry I can spot the difference!


I aim to meld with Jantra, digitally speaking, until we become a virtual entity. By then , transhumanism will be a reality and our gestalt entity will be able to inhabit a real, live lab-grown body.

I'm not sure what we/I will be called. I favour 'Jantastic' but I guess we will have a democratic vote on the name at some time in the future.

Tbh I'm sick of being inside a portly accountant's body and I'm sure that Jantra is as well. I will be pushing for a new body like Ru Paul or at the very least a ladyboy.

Best of both worlds!

Re: Bristol

As someone who lives in Canton I have to tell you that I certainly don't consider Pontcanna to be Canton and I doubt many people in Pontcanna would either! I wouldn't say we're separate communities but other than among the hip young people who might live in either not a lot of mixing goes on.

Re: Bristol

Since this is the Bristol thread I thought I would mention that Bristol lost 14000 private sector jobs between 2010 and 2012. This was the worst performance of any UK city. It came as a bit of a surprise to me as I'd never thought Bristol would be one of the hardest hit cities by the recession. The same report showed that 79% of the new private sector jobs were in London. I think Edinburgh came second which like London is a major centre for financial services.

This isn't meant as a gloat as of course many Cardiffians work in Bristol so I don't think problems there are somehow good for us, but it was a surprise. No doubt Jantra will tell us that what Bristol really needs is socialism and we should send them Comrade Hart and Carwyn the Caring to sort it out.

Re: Bristol

Jantard
Ash
Jantra
@ash Please note that I am not jantard. My initial comment about pontcanna and Cardiff was said tongue in cheek, sadly my little stalker struggles with differentiating reality from fantasy


Don't worry I can spot the difference!


I aim to meld with Jantra, digitally speaking, until we become a virtual entity. By then , transhumanism will be a reality and our gestalt entity will be able to inhabit a real, live lab-grown body.

I'm not sure what we/I will be called. I favour 'Jantastic' but I guess we will have a democratic vote on the name at some time in the future.

Tbh I'm sick of being inside a portly accountant's body and I'm sure that Jantra is as well. I will be pushing for a new body like Ru Paul or at the very least a ladyboy.

Best of both worlds!


Have you been watching a lot of Battlestar Galactica recently?

Re: Bristol

Frank
Since this is the Bristol thread I thought I would mention that Bristol lost 14000 private sector jobs between 2010 and 2012. This was the worst performance of any UK city. It came as a bit of a surprise to me as I'd never thought Bristol would be one of the hardest hit cities by the recession. The same report showed that 79% of the new private sector jobs were in London. I think Edinburgh came second which like London is a major centre for financial services.

This isn't meant as a gloat as of course many Cardiffians work in Bristol so I don't think problems there are somehow good for us, but it was a surprise. No doubt Jantra will tell us that what Bristol really needs is socialism and we should send them Comrade Hart and Carwyn the Caring to sort it out.


I don't think it was that strange that Bristol lost that many jobs. It has a huge finance sector (compared to Cardiff) and would have lost thousands of jobs as HBoS, Lloyds and the royal spank of botland reorganised. Cardiff was a middling city overall not doing to well to be honest. Around 31 out of 63 cities, pretty poor when we are meant to be around 8th or 9th overall. There were reasons to be optimistic but generally we are still punching below our weight.

Re: Bristol

Yeah but London and Edinburgh have done best and their the real financial services cities! In what sense was Cardiff 31st out of 63 cities? In terms of net private sector job growth/loss?

Re: Bristol

Interesting news, the figures surprised even the city council. 14,000 is a lot of jobs lost although according to the report the city performs incredibly well under most other factors, which might explain why people don't feel like the city has been as hard hit in general. That or the data is inaccurate somewhere!

This is pretty neat, has economic summaries of the major towns and cities in The UK:

http://www.citiesoutlook.org/

http://www.citiesoutlook.org/summary/bristol
http://www.citiesoutlook.org/summary/cardiff

A comparison between the Cardiff and Bristol. The different categories are ranked out of 63/64.

Population 2012

Bristol: 698,600 (9/64)
Cardiff: 348,500 (23/64)

Employment rate July 2012 - July 2013

Bristol: 73.4 (16/64)
Cardiff: 64.81 (54/64)

Private Sector Employment 2012

Bristol: 270,800 (6/64)
Cardiff: 133,500 (16/64)

Public sector Employment 2012

Bristol: 105,400 (9/64)
Cardiff: 64,100 (13/64)

Working Age Population With No Formal Qualifications:

Bristol: 8.14 (49/64)
Cardiff: 9.65 (39/64)

Working Age Population With Qualification at NVQ4 level or above:

Bristol: 38.61 (10/64)
Cardiff: 38.19 (11/64)

Business Start-Ups Per 10,000 population 2012

Bristol: 44.09 (12/64)
Cardiff: 34.15 (31/64)

Business Closures per 10,000 population 2012

Bristol: 37.36
Cardiff: 31.85

Business Churn Rate:

Bristol: 2.04 (8/64)
Cardiff: 0.87 (24/64)

Business Stock 2012 + Growth Rate (2011-2012)

Bristol: 329.59 (11/64) +0.47% (9/64)
Cardiff: 263.13 (31/64) -0.35% (21/64)

Patents Granted per 100,000 of Population 2012

Bristol: 8.30 (7/64)
Cardiff: 4.88 (20/64)

Average Weekly Earnings 2013 (£2013 prices)

Bristol: 476.15 (21/64)
Cardiff: 480.8 (18/64)

Mean House Prices 2013

Bristol: £215,800 (11/64)
Cardiff: £187,900 (19/64)

Annual Mean House Price Growth Rate 2012-2013

Bristol: +2.71% (15/64)
Cardiff: +3.93% (7/64)

Housing Stock 2012

Bristol: 301,100 (8/64)
Cardiff: 148,700 (26/64)

Growth in Housing Stock

Bristol: 2,700 (3/63) +0.90% (6/64)
Cardiff: 600 (39/63) +0.41 % (39/63)

Life Satisfaction 2012-2013/ Change 2011-12-2012-13

Bristol:7.44 (23/64) +1.94% (15/64)
Cardiff: 7.40 (31/64) +0.27% (39/64)


Re: Bristol

Frank
Yeah but London and Edinburgh have done best and their the real financial services cities! In what sense was Cardiff 31st out of 63 cities? In terms of net private sector job growth/loss?


correct

Re: Bristol

Bristol Tim's stats are interesting - there is a slight caveat though.

Those stats are for the respective local authority areas and depend on what can be pretty random council boundaries. Cardiff's figures would be different, for instance, were the proposed Cardiff/VOG merger to go ahead. Similarly I think I'm right in saying that Portishead, which I would regard as a part of Bristol, isn't a part of the council area.

Re: Bristol

The population of Bristol LA isn't nearly 700,000 though? They must be including extra bits. I know Liverpool was one city that came out of this surprisingly well and it's figures included St Helens and Knowsley. The Centre for Cities probably has some merit, but you really need to look regionally to get a good picture but where you draw the boundaries will be a significant determinant to results.

Re: Bristol

The population of Bristol LA isn't nearly 700,000 though? They must be including extra bits. I know Liverpool was one city that came out of this surprisingly well and it's figures included St Helens and Knowsley. The Centre for Cities probably has some merit, but you really need to look regionally to get a good picture but where you draw the boundaries will be a significant determinant to results.


Yes, if you follow the link it will say. Centre for Cities defines Bristol as The City of Bristol & South Gloucestershire council areas.

Some examples:













Ash
Bristol Tim's stats are interesting - there is a slight caveat though.

Those stats are for the respective local authority areas and depend on what can be pretty random council boundaries. Cardiff's figures would be different, for instance, were the proposed Cardiff/VOG merger to go ahead. Similarly I think I'm right in saying that Portishead, which I would regard as a part of Bristol, isn't a part of the council area.


I wouldn't say it was that much of caveat, even though it does pose some minor problems. The CfC have found a reasonable middle ground I think; by using more than one council authority but at the same time they haven't gone nuts by including everything from jupiter to the kitchen sink either.

I'd imagine Cardiff's figures would be pretty similar even with the merger? Not much in The Vale of Glamorgan just fields and the town of Barry.

Re: Bristol

Wonder why they left Rochdale out of the Greater Manchester example? It fits between Bury and Oldham and completes the 'circle'.

Can't be population because Rochdale is only 10,000 or so less than Oldham and is some 30,000 larger than Bury. Strange!?

Re: Bristol

Rachda
Wonder why they left Rochdale out of the Greater Manchester example? It fits between Bury and Oldham and completes the 'circle'.

Can't be population because Rochdale is only 10,000 or so less than Oldham and is some 30,000 larger than Bury. Strange!?
im glad I'm not the ot one thinking that

Re: Bristol

Who knows? I guess they've left it out as it's not really 'attached' to the rest of Greater Manchester and it would appear cfc are only including adjacent council authorities if significantly large parts of the city sprawl over into them (and aren't distinct places of themselves e.g Bradford, Wakefield).

Re: Bristol

Bristol Tim
Who knows? I guess they've left it out as it's not really 'attached' to the rest of Greater Manchester and it would appear cfc are only including adjacent council authorities if significantly large parts of the city sprawl over into them (and aren't distinct places of themselves e.g Bradford, Wakefield).


Middleton is in Rochdale and that's contiguous with Rhodes ( north Manchester) so your assertion is not quite correct. Rochdale proper is a bit further out but bury is further than midd. Weird

Re: Bristol

it is a bit odd. They probably figured the omission was necessary somehow, middleton itself looks like a fairly residential area, probably wouldn't have affected the stats much possibly, with its absence made up by including other places.

Both Bolton and Rochdale are listed as separate entries, so I guess one could figure out how much and what affect they would have had if they were included in CFC definition of Manchester.

Also, Cardiff needs to build more houses.

Re: Bristol

Bristol Tim
it is a bit odd. They probably figured the omission was necessary somehow, middleton itself looks like a fairly residential area, probably wouldn't have affected the stats much possibly, with its absence made up by including other places.

Both Bolton and Rochdale are listed as separate entries, so I guess one could figure out how much and what affect they would have had if they were included in CFC definition of Manchester.

Also, Cardiff needs to build more houses.


I'm like you in that I have no idea. I think it points to the fact that you need to take these stats with a large dose of sodium chloride. They point towards a trend but can be wildly inaccurate.

For reference: midd, heywood alkrington and chadderton are all part of the urban sprawl yet aren't really included. The locals would probably consider themselves mancs rather than being from Rochdale or Oldham

Re: Bristol

This is a better map of Greater Manchester and better illustrates the point.

My original point was that the gap,in the original 'map' should not have occurred. Rochdale Metropolitan Borough is part of Greater Manchester just as Bury, Oldham, etc. Bolton and Wigan are too despite the fact that they do not directly abut Manchester!

I'm inclined to agree with the comment in the first paragraph of Jantra's last post on the matter!!

Re: Bristol

Looking at that map I can see why they probably left Rochdale out; Bury & Oldham and the other council areas make quite significant inroads within Manchester 'proper' i.e. the M60, whereas Rochdale authority doesn't extend into it.

Re: Bristol

Ignore the M62...it doesn't fit your argument.

I give up! There's none so blind as those who will not see!

Re: Bristol

maybe this forum should be renamed manchesterenglandmap?

Re: Bristol

des - penarth
maybe this forum should be renamed manchesterenglandmap?


Finally!!! The sooner the deluded Welsh realise that we are unfit to call ourselves a country and our so-called Capital a "city", the better off we will be. North Wales needs to be in Mcr city region, mid Wales in Brum's and south Wales in Bristol's. The panoply of attractions in these oases of civilisation will create a new breed of forelock-tugging Welshman, overawed by these testaments to the magnificence of England.

I care not for those misguided souls who believe in place called 'Wales'. Ian Brown has more integrity in his simian little finger than generations of Gogs have in their entire bloodlines.

Please Paul change the name of your site to BristolBirminghamManchesterarebetterthanCardiffWalesMap.com.

Please!!??

Re: Bristol

You talk a lot of sense!! Some good discussion points there!!

Re: Bristol

des - penarth
maybe this forum should be renamed manchesterenglandmap?


At last, you've discovered there is life outside Penarth!

Re: Bristol

Rachda
Ignore the M62...it doesn't fit your argument.

I give up! There's none so blind as those who will not see!


Well you haven't made a much of a case. Anyway the CfC report is about the economic profiles of cities, it makes sense why they wouldn't include Greater Manchester in its entirety, or just the city of manchester as it's too small and irregularly shaped.

Btw the circular motorway is the M60. The M62 is the road that links Yorkshire and Manchester. My point being that Rochdale is peripheral, whereas most of the other authorities take up large slices of the 'inner' suburban Manchester, and areas within close proximity to the city centre, hence why they're probably included. Far from perfect, but you won't get better or more concise sets of stats of our cities from that many other sources either.




Re: Bristol

Your 'arguments' support the fact you know little of Manchester and its environs!! Enough said.

Re: Bristol

It's not an argument, and I know plenty about manchester and its environs, hence why I am able to talk about it.

Re: Bristol

Good Heavens! Your lack of knowledge of Manchester and it's environs is, apparently, matched by your lack of knowledge of the English language.

One of the definitions of 'argument' is "a discussion involving differing points of view; debate." I was under the impression that you and I had differing points of view in this debate!?

Re: Bristol

And? That doesn't make it an argument, not to mention you haven't actually made much of a case for yourself to even argue with, you just posted a fairly general and basic map of Greater Manchester thinking that would suffice. Anyway, it's all a pretty irrelevant tangent, which I'm not interested in seeing being dragged out. My dad is from Radcliffe btw. In short, you haven't a clue what you're talking about, and it'd be helpful if you were a little less petulant about it? Thanks.

In Bristol related news, the airport reportedly saw 6.1 million passengers in 2013 and plans for an arena have cleared another hurdle; I've heard of reports that Cardiff was looking to replace its current arena, but have heard and seen different proposals, so what is exactly happening with that?

Re: Bristol

Bristol Tim
And? That doesn't make it an argument, not to mention you haven't actually made much of a case for yourself to even argue with, you just posted a fairly general and basic map of Greater Manchester thinking that would suffice. Anyway, it's all a pretty irrelevant tangent, which I'm not interested in seeing being dragged out. My dad is from Radcliffe btw. In short, you haven't a clue what you're talking about, and it'd be helpful if you were a little less petulant about it? Thanks.

In Bristol related news, the airport reportedly saw 6.1 million passengers in 2013 and plans for an arena have cleared another hurdle; I've heard of reports that Cardiff was looking to replace its current arena, but have heard and seen different proposals, so what is exactly happening with that?


There's a plan for a new arena and conference facilities. The council are about to approach the private sector about it I believe.

Interesting cooperation between both cities in this article.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/business-news/harnessing-energy-priority-uniting-cities-6709228

Re: Bristol

Bristol Tim
? My dad is from Radcliffe btw.


Back of Beyond then!!?

If you knew anything at all about the area (except what Daddy told you) you may have guessed from my name where I am from and might not be so dismissive!

By the way, you still haven't mastered English have you?

Re: Bristol

My english is fine, I'm not writing my phd so I'm not really bothered about that. Besides, you haven't really counteracted my points, just insulted me. Anyway, I'm not that interested as it was a minor point; one that you seem to want to drag out, and in a petulant and rude manner. The fact that you can't seem to debate with people without insulting them and posting under a plethora of different aliases says a lot about you, and it's not good.

Anyway, the fact that you're from Rochdale doesn't make your opinion more accurate than mine (and both are irrelevant with regards to that CFC data) , especially as you don't live there anymore. Assuming you're really from there of course.

Re: Bristol

Kyle
[
There's a plan for a new arena and conference facilities. The council are about to approach the private sector about it I believe.

Interesting cooperation between both cities in this article.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/business-news/harnessing-energy-priority-uniting-cities-6709228


Ta. The collaboration thing is interesting, especially after trouble with the Severn Barrage. It does seem to be the way to go, seeing as the cities of the North, and London, overshadow everything else. Might end in tears though given the quality of our politicians...

Re: Bristol

Bristol Tim
The fact that you can't seem to debate with people without insulting them and posting under a plethora of different aliases says a lot about you, and it's not good......



I've never actually insulted you - just pointed out a truth or two!

If you insist on posting incomplete information, you must expect the consequences.

Re: Bristol

Rachda
Bristol Tim
The fact that you can't seem to debate with people without insulting them and posting under a plethora of different aliases says a lot about you, and it's not good......



I've never actually insulted you - just pointed out a truth or two!

If you insist on posting incomplete information, you must expect the consequences.


I know Rochdale very well and I'd say Bristol Tim isn't that far from the truth.

Just saying

Re: Bristol

I have always enjoyed and respected your views, Jantra, butI lived in Rochdale for over 30 years so it could be said that I know it very well too! My views are gained from personal experience and not from those of family as is, apparently, the case with 'Bristol Tim'.

Re: Bristol

Cardiff and Bristol working together across a spectrum of areas is eminently sensible (transport, health, environment etc etc) There has to be a realisation that ultimately they are not a threat to each other so by harnessing the strengths of both cities it can lead to greater opportunities for citizens with the knock on effect of creating an effective economic base from which to grow prosperity for themselves and all places between.

Re: Bristol

Rachda
I have always enjoyed and respected your views, Jantra, butI lived in Rochdale for over 30 years so it could be said that I know it very well too! My views are gained from personal experience and not from those of family as is, apparently, the case with 'Bristol Tim'.


that's fine and whilst I agree that Rochdale is very much part of Greater Manchester, the fact that Castle Hawk and Manchester golf clubs are sandwiched between the contiguous Manchester urban sprawl and Rochdale town proper may give the impression they are not contiguous. If you drive westward via Langley and Heywood you get to Rochdale and if you drive eastward via Oldham and Royton you get to Rochdale, both cases you don't really leave the urban realm. This isn't so obvious though when looking at a map.

what part of Rochdale are you from?

Re: Bristol

Rhodri
Cardiff and Bristol working together across a spectrum of areas is eminently sensible (transport, health, environment etc etc) There has to be a realisation that ultimately they are not a threat to each other so by harnessing the strengths of both cities it can lead to greater opportunities for citizens with the knock on effect of creating an effective economic base from which to grow prosperity for themselves and all places between.


Cardiff and Bristol may not be threats to each other - but we are competitors in some fields. Cooperation in some areas makes sense - in others (inward investment, for instance) we need to go for the jugular. The mythical "Severnside" can't be defined as a single economic region by any reasonable measure - although it may count as a single airport catchment area!

Re: Bristol

Bristol Tim
Kyle
[
There's a plan for a new arena and conference facilities. The council are about to approach the private sector about it I believe.

Interesting cooperation between both cities in this article.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/business-news/harnessing-energy-priority-uniting-cities-6709228


Ta. The collaboration thing is interesting, especially after trouble with the Severn Barrage. It does seem to be the way to go, seeing as the cities of the North, and London, overshadow everything else. Might end in tears though given the quality of our politicians...


I wonder what representatives of Newport are thinking. Maybe jumping up and down, waving and shouting "what about us?"

Sub-regional approaches can work successfully - including across waters both political and physical - but inevitably there will always be competition between the main centres. One hopes that a city-region approach to Cardiff and its surroundings can counter any advantage that Bristol and its surroudings has by virtue of its size and location.

Re: Bristol

Jantra


......what part of Rochdale are you from?


I lived at the top end of Yorkshire Street just before the point where it becomes Halifax Road in a locality known as 'Wardleworth'.

Re: Bristol

Rachda
Jantra


......what part of Rochdale are you from?


I lived at the top end of Yorkshire Street just before the point where it becomes Halifax Road in a locality known as 'Wardleworth'.


thats towards littleborough and tod isn't it? lovely part of the world.

Re: Bristol

On the way out there but well within Rochdale. Hamer is next then Smallbridge and Hurstead before LittleBoro' . Much changed since my youth. Rochdale was then an independent County Borough before the changes of the late Sixties. Progress!. It is now firmly set as a part of Greater Manchester - as are Bury and Oldham - and my initial point.

Re: Bristol

Rachda
Bristol Tim
The fact that you can't seem to debate with people without insulting them and posting under a plethora of different aliases says a lot about you, and it's not good......



I've never actually insulted you - just pointed out a truth or two!




Don't take the piss, yes you have. My english is no worse than anyone else's here, I guess that's what you think classes as witty. You've just been petulant and passive aggressive from the start, and about something incredibly minor.
You've been incredibly rude to me yet I haven't done anything to warrant your obnoxious behaviour- and no I wasn't being dismissive of you either; go back and read the posts, I'm just responding and given possible reasons why centre for cities report is the way it is and yet you're being a dick in response.



If you insist on posting incomplete information, you must expect the consequences.


Incomplete? You mean the Centre for Cities info? It's pretty obvious it's not, especially as Rochdale is included (as a separate entry). Clearly you're not the sharpest tool in the shed if you can't spot that (well, you are from Rochdale after all), which makes the fact that you're telling people to go and learn english all the more ironic.

It's obvious you have a lot of pent up frustration at the Centre for cities report, for whatever reasons, that you're taking out on me. I'd say get over it, but you're obviously unable.

I think you need to give these people a call and discuss your mental health. I'm being serious btw.

http://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/helplines/


Jantra


I know Rochdale very well and I'd say Bristol Tim isn't that far from the truth.

Just saying


Yes, thanks. I've also been to Rochdale a reasonable number of times (unfortunately!) so I'm hardly going around by second hand knowledge, anyway visiting and being from the there or any other town or city is actually irrelevant with something like the Centre for Cities report.

Re: Bristol

Rhodri
Cardiff and Bristol working together across a spectrum of areas is eminently sensible (transport, health, environment etc etc) There has to be a realisation that ultimately they are not a threat to each other so by harnessing the strengths of both cities it can lead to greater opportunities for citizens with the knock on effect of creating an effective economic base from which to grow prosperity for themselves and all places between.


They need to pull their fingers out with transport, It's ridiculous that it takes over an hour to get from Temple Meads to Cardiff Central. The bridge toll is another massive handicap for the region. I don't take or understand the view that the toll benefits those on the English side of the bridge, nor do I think abolishing the tolls would put them at a disadvantage; it just seems to promote a certain degree of economic parochialism for both sides of the Severn.

Re: Bristol

Barden

I wonder what representatives of Newport are thinking. Maybe jumping up and down, waving and shouting "what about us?"


Well, it's up to them (Newport council) to take the initiative isn't it? Maybe when or if they merge with Monmouthshire they might take a more proactive approach?


Barden
Sub-regional approaches can work successfully - including across waters both political and physical - but inevitably there will always be competition between the main centres. One hopes that a city-region approach to Cardiff and its surroundings can counter any advantage that Bristol and its surroudings has by virtue of its size and location.


How? Isn't Cardiff/Wales already at an advantage by having the Welsh Assembly?

Ash
Cardiff and Bristol may not be threats to each other - but we are competitors in some fields. Cooperation in some areas makes sense - in others (inward investment, for instance) we need to go for the jugular. The mythical "Severnside" can't be defined as a single economic region by any reasonable measure - although it may count as a single airport catchment area!


In which fields?

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