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Re: Differences between a 1928 and 1929 chassis frame.

Brilliant cards Ruairidh, I have learnt something, the first approx 4000 cars had rear shackle pins( XL 621) with a grease nipple in the end not on the spring eye. Obviously quite possible with no SA and in line with the design of the front spring shackles, which stayed that way for the life of the Seven. I wonder if the change to putting the grease nipple on the spring eye was a practical one, because it took place before SA's were introduced, it is easier to apply the grease gun to a nipple in the spring eye.

I look forward to having access to all the cards

Re: Differences between a 1928 and 1929 chassis frame.

Ruairidh Dunford
Bill Sheehan
Rather interesting, Hedd. For a start, A7 chassis that early never had rivetted-on ID plates


Almost all the GE chassis (and other coach built chassis) I have seen have a small plate crudely riveted to the rear crossmember. The plate says something like "this is property of the AM Co." And also details the chassis number. I am thinking that this is the plate Hedd is referring too in this instance.


I have this chassis, don't know what body was fitted though.

Re: Differences between a 1928 and 1929 chassis frame.

Henry

I have often wondered about the wording of the plate affixed to chassis supplied to coach builders, does the word 'property' refer to intellectual property, ie Austins designed and made it. Because obviously once the coach builder bought the chassis from Longbridge it belonged to them. And once sold to the first owner it was his or hers property.

Re: Differences between a 1928 and 1929 chassis frame.

I have read somewhere that the chassis was provided by Austin on credit and was only paid for by the coach builder when the finished car was sold.

R

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Re: Differences between a 1928 and 1929 chassis frame.

As the plate also has provision for stamping with the horsepower, this must have applied to any chassis from the Austin range that was sent from the works to be bodied outside.
It would be interesting to know if anyone has one of the larger Austin models with such a plate, and what body is fitted. I always thought this applied to vehicles that were bodied outside the works and then returned to be sold by Austin as their own, e.g. vans/commercials.

Re: Differences between a 1928 and 1929 chassis frame.

a7fan
I always thought this applied to vehicles that were bodied outside the works and then returned to be sold by Austin as their own, e.g. vans/commercials.


That is an interesting thought. The Austin Motor Co did include Sevens bodied by Gordon England and Mulliner in their main catalogues, complete with specifications and prices. Did they actually sell some coachbuilt Sevens from Longbridge, in which case the plate would make more sense as the chassis was being returned with a body fitted.

Re: Differences between a 1928 and 1929 chassis frame.

Just looked at an Austin Catalogue for 1928 (600D) and prices given for the Gordon England Cup and Wembley Saloon are quoted 'at London' earlier catalogues refer to London Depot. The Mulliner Fabric Saloon is quoted 'at Works'

There is a note under the cars that Messrs Gordon England and Mulliner take all responsibility for coachwork.

Re: Differences between a 1928 and 1929 chassis frame.

a7fan
As the plate also has provision for stamping with the horsepower, this must have applied to any chassis from the Austin range that was sent from the works to be bodied outside.
It would be interesting to know if anyone has one of the larger Austin models with such a plate, and what body is fitted. I always thought this applied to vehicles that were bodied outside the works and then returned to be sold by Austin as their own, e.g. vans/commercials.


I spent some time this afternoon crawling under a 1928 12hp Mulliner saloon that is for sale locally.
The same plate is in a similar position as the 7hp coachbuilts, on the nearside of the rearmost crossmember facing forwards.

Re: Differences between a 1928 and 1929 chassis frame.

Re David's "Property of" question, it's my guess that it must have been the accepted wording for patenting or design registration. I have a very old oil bottle where the "Shell" moulding in the glass is a design quite different to the motif we're all used to. It's also moulded "Property of Shell Co. Ltd". With the hundreds, probably thousands, of bottles produced & sold, I doubt the company would be demanding their property back? In the case of Austin 7 chassis, our Herbert must have been filled with trepidation putting his name to some of the chassis that came out of Gordon England - as evidenced in Ruairidh's Cup Folio, some weird & wonderful modifications were done to the original design. A reminder that my lengthy bit above only referred to original A7 chassis. Cheers, Bill

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