Looks Nice. But never knew The Bay had closed. Is the old Cafe Naz unit let yet?
I've always had a fab meal at Cote restaurants, simple French style food and great value. Steaks are amazing. It's a shame it's not in town though, there is a bit of a lack of nice eateries still.
Another chain. The balance is in danger of being tipped in Mermaid Quay I think - Starbucks, Cote, Wagammamma, Nando's, Pizza Express, Subways, Tesco, Cafe Rouge, Strada etc. Part of the charm of Mermaid Quay was the local offering.
On the Cardiff City Mad forum there is talk of the Ninian Park pub in Leckwith making way for flats. I can't say I'm suprised or indeed that sad. It's a dingy hole that is empty 90% of the time. Whenm it is full ie. on matchdays it attracts the worst elements of City's support.
There is a new 'family style' pub with an emphasis on food opening by the new stadium soon. It is to be in an 'olde English' style (faux beams etc) rather than the council estate boozer with tiny windows style of the Ninian. Perhaps this is a metaphor for the changing demographics of your average City fan.
The Pear Tree (opening in place of Billabong) is pretty much ready to open. Walked past yesterday and it looks quite smart, a huge improvement on what it was before. They've covered the brick facade and it looks a lot better! Opens Sunday I think.
I think the last I heard is that this is a rumour, and in fact the pub is being invested in. (I read that on the annis abraham website)
I agree, it's a bit of a rubbish pub, but it has history, even if it's just it's name.
I wonder who would invest in it? There can't be enough business just on matchdays surely? I suppose there is the new estate on the site of Ninian Park and plans for residential on Bessemer Rd but that doesn't guarantee any extra business.
The best part about the pub is the sign outside!
In todays Echo -
The guy behind the Queens Vaults and the Golden Lion in Penarth has taken it over. Seems he has big plans for it - best of British luck to him.
He seems like a sensible chap. Apparently he owns other pubs in the Cardiff area, and he'll be busing people in from them to take them to the Ninian.
Free transport for fans from their own local, good business for the pub. Everyone is a winner.
It's true that the best thing about it is the sign. I never drink there, but I do get a bit of a twinge of excitement passing it though; pass the Ninian, under the railway bridge and badge sellers. Adds a bit of adrenalin.
There is a paper sign in the door at Ba Orient that says that they are moving to a unit upstairs by the Pearl of the Orient.
Seems like a strange move. Do they mean this VIP bar? Is there another vacant unit by Pearl of the Orient? Don't they realise that footfall will be far less up there? Is another occupier lined up for Ba Orient?
Do they mean the old Cafe Naz unit? Although thats not next to Pearl of the Orient. Is Signor Valentine closed down? Or is Pearl of the Orient shrinking following a loss of business to Cosmo?
Says that Las Iguanas will take the old Ba Orient space.
That's depressing. I don't want to see Mermaid Quay become chain dominated especially by the likes of Las Iguanas.
I remember the days of the Bierkeller in Bristol that used to be a popular night out for coach parties from south Wales and generally ended up with a punch up with the Wurzels! There was a similar type of place in Nottingham when I was there. Good for an occasional big night out but certainly not for a couple of after work cheekies. I bet students would love it.
I like the comment from the bloke from North Yorks about foreigners taking over our breweries. 'We won the war but lost the peace!' Classic! Could there be anything more Daily Mail??
Just some info I found, can we assume that Brasserie blanc will definitely be coming to cardiff then?
Good news. Will we have another high quality operation take the second restaurant unit? It would be nice to see something other than a chain. Could we get a Welsh chef to open something that could have a chance at going for a Michelin star? The city doesn't have anything like that yet and it would be great if it could.
Looks like the Kings Cross could be closed by its owners Mitchells and Butler, and a food-focused bar or restaurant opened there instead:
One saving grace is that the pub is quite small and probably wouldn't be suitable for many of M&Bs chain bars like All Bar One. But that doesn't stop them going for a more boutique bar-cum-restaurant.
I've not been to the Kings for quite a while but one thing I do like about Cardiff is that gay venues are not ghettoized into the periphery. Its part of the cafe quarter, and now with St Davids 2, the Kings is right in the retail heart too. This normalizes the idea of a gay bar, showing its not something to be ashamed of and hidden away. And, perhaps, its more likely straight people will go. Provided they don't "take over" this is a good thing.
Yeah that would be a shame. I've only been there a couple of times, but it seems a nice place, and I agree that it is nice to have openly gay venues out in the main part of town.
Still, hopefully the owners will realise the groundswell of opposition and back off a bit?
I suppose it was inevitable that it would get 'done up' just like the Wellington. It's a sign of how far that part of the city centre has come I guess.
I hope they keep the name though.
I'm quite sure Cambo does still frequent ;-)
Obviously its up to the owner to decide what kind of venue it is, and if the Kings is unprofitable, or simply less profitable than an alternative use, then it is understandable it changing.
However, it can still be a shame to see the a long standing and historically quite important venue close. And if the community can rally round and put their money where their mouth is then great.
Do they do food? I know places like Pulse and Wow do, and I thought so did the Kings. Prices in Pulse are ridiculously low, probably not much more than cost, probably hoping to make it on the drinks and deserts etc.
The Hard Rock Cafe has suddenly shut.
I didn't see that coming. I think a load around the UK were closed a few years ago, which Cardiff survived, so it's a surprise, and a shame to see this one go.
It always seemed pretty busy..
Quite a few empty premises along St Mary's Street south of Wood Street at the moment.
Tarus and the unit next door
Hard Rock Cafe
I suppose that whilst it might have had a fair footfall, people weren't spending enough. I never went there once - it always seemed a bit tacky, albeit I guess okay for a few drinks if you're a tourist, on a stag night, etc.
Bottom end of St Mary's has gone downhill. I wasn't aware 3 of the big nightclub / bars had gone to the wall. Habits have been changing in recent years. Theres been a shift to smaller venues offering a less industrial approach - bigger clubs are giving way increasingly to bars with dancefloors. Theres also been a fall in alcohol consumption, driven mainly by alcohol consumed outside the home.
What use might be made of these big bar units? I can't imagine we need many more massive refectory-style buffet restaurants. Its still a bit rough so I can't see any good quality retail or office accomodation. Cheap hotels / hostels?
Could TGI Fridays of been a big contributor too its closure!?
you'd like to think it will be an attractive unit to let, with a frontage on St Mary street, and the brewery quarter.
I blame the coalition and it's sweeping education cuts!!
I do think TGI's and Ruby Tuesday have eaten into Hard Rock's customer base. Also the area has lost it's drinking circuit with all the empty bars at the bottom of St. Mary St.
The city arms seems to be having a refurb, presumably in time for the autumn internationals.
Am I the only one, who when I see a new post in this thread, I get worried, whether it's good news about a new venue, or bad news about a great venue closing?
Well, anyway..this time it's good news. The Barfly is reopening, albeit under a new name, that on saturdays will be student only. Not perfect, but nice to see.
It's hard to determine exactly what is meant as the writing is so bad (question: why does someone who can barely compose a sentence think that they'd make a good journalist?) but I read it as Saturdays would be especially aimed at students but open to all. I'd imagine reduced rates & drinks offers to NUS holders, that sort of thing, rather than exclusively allowing students in.
It looks like he's serious about it being a live venue, which is great, but I'm not sure about the policy of only having acts which are likely to sell out! Can imagine that being a tricky thing to pull off, and presumably you'd be striking most of the local talent off your list...
I hear Ten Feet Tall has also turned their underground bar into a live music venue (which i guess means they've installed the necessary tech and maybe a stage). Maybe they were responding to the Barfly closure thinking they could mop up the mid week live music market.
Some interesting restaurant news, and info on some of the (unsuccessful) objections:
The Chameleon Group who run Mocha Lounge, North Star etc will open a high end restaurant in the old bank vault on St Mary Street next to Zizzi. They want a Michelin star eventually but the owner of the restaurant next door and police were against it because it might cause crime.
The mango house on Westgate St - which is up for a top UK curry house award soon - have been given permission to have a live sitar player in the restaurant playing while people eat. They had complaints because this would add noise to the area.
The Old Bank in the Bay will now open as a multi-use venue, despite complaints about noise.
Cardiff 3, Complainers 0.
The police habitually complain about any licensed premises in St Marys / High Street now with no consideration of the type of venue. If they are concerned about crime close down the worst of the bars and clubs, and not stop higher-end restaurants from opening.
And good to see the old bank being made more use of. Residents complaining about noise? Urgh. They're in what should be a busy commercial district not some half-dilapidated backwater.
I'm stil not sure from that article where this high end restaurant is going. Is it the basement underneath Zizzi's or next door where Pizza Hut used to be?
I think so. There has been an unused underground restaurant opportunity there for some time now.
City Arms has re-opened. Anyone been?
Cafe Floyd on St Mary St has been refused a license application to extend its cafe bar downstairs as well/instead of (not sure which) the one they run upstairs.
I think this is a shame. If it was done with the same style as the one upstairs but with the front facing window it really would of added something new to the city. Visitors think cardiff is just full of crappy big warehouse bars and nothing nice because places like cafe floyd are hidden away. If it had an obvious frontage it would challenge the views some people get of the city and add to the new castle quarter.
That said, it would have meant the loosing another independent clothes shop in that area.
So as well as Hooters there is a Chinese Buffet "Flaming Dragons" going into the Cineworld building. Not sure what this means for the prospects of "Red Hot" Buffet on Hill Street.
I'd rather see a fewer smaller operators on Hill Street instead of one big restaurant taking up 4 units but I'd rather Red Hot than it sitting empty.
PLANS to open a new venue at the heart of Cardiff’s nightclub quarter have been rejected due to fears of a rise in booze-fuelled violence.
Members of Cardiff council’s licensing sub-committee today refused the application for a nightclub in the former Liquid premises on St Mary Street.
The decision has delighted local police who had objected to the proposal.
Inspector Tony Bishop, who is in charge of policing the city centre, said: “South Wales Police welcomes the decision on the licensing committee of Cardiff council in refusing the application to grant a premises licence.
“This decision will have a very positive impact in reducing crime and disorder in Cardiff city centre and will greatly assist South Wales Police and its partners in managing more effectively the night time economy here in Cardiff.”
What do you guys make of this? Without knowing anything about the proposals it's hard to judge, although some of the comments from the police are a tad bit stupid!
How will it "reduce crime and disorder" by sitting empty? Futhermore, I'd like to see the impact that the closure of Liquid has had on "crime and disorder" - surely this should be the basis used on which the decision should be made?
Words fail me.
Police and Licensing are utter lunatics about this.
So we all have to stare at an empty unit? How foolish and nonsensical are the police?
Listen to them by all means, but they are showing a total lack of maturity in their decisions.
I hope they can appeal and the absurd decision is overturned at considerable cost to the council.
Meanwhile upstairs, the old 'Life' unit is set to become a Burlesque cabaret club complete with dancing girls in nipple tassels!
This will be an interesting test of the licensing laws.
If they don't approve it then I really do despair-we might as well close down the bottom half of St Mary Street and invite squatters in, as that seems to be what they want to achieve.
I can understand not granting new licences, but not granted licences in existing bar/restaurant/clubs is madness.
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