Bristol 432,500; Cardiff 346,100
Average weekly wages (2012):
Bristol £466; Cardiff £478
Average house price (2011):
Bristol £205,800; Cardiff £180,800
GVA [the value of goods and services produced] (2011):
Bristol £26,900; Cardiff £24,400
Strange article. They forgot to mention the £billion barrage.
Funny how all the measures are in Bristol's favour except average weekly wage! I presume this is Valleys affect, cheap housing conurbation where people commute into Cardiff to work in low wage jobs
The exact opposite is true for Bristol, the high wage people commute from their leafy towns nearby..
I think Bristol's NIMBYs are far more vocal and effective than the ones in Cardiff as well. I remember people moaning about the WMC and the Senedd, but they didn't actually bothering doing anything about it. In Bristol they'd have been out looking for great crested newts or starting a riot. Remember when some road in Bristol got a Tesco there were riots, when City Road got it's Tesco there were a few posters in Plasnewydd windows moaning about the tescopoly.
strange article in the sense that it doesn't mention the barrage or St. David's, John Lewis etc. in Cardiff, or Cabbots circus etc. in Bristol... But it also doesn't mention the numerous plans that have come to nothing in Cardiff - glass needle, ISV snow dome (so far) central bus station etc.
Also I believe more houses have been built in Bristol in the last 5-10 years than in Cardiff...
All subjective I suppose, but very hard to compare the 2 cities
Probably because most of those types of projects aren't what Bristol struggles to get built, hence why they weren't mentioned.
One phrase, one.... image comes to mind when I consider this apparent conundrum.
Big Firm Bristol.
They could use it as a marketing slogan
just to interject (not to do with brizzle) but a message for Jantwat - can you tweak that user name please (fair play to Jantra as he hasn't made a fuss) but I'm hoping that this forum can attract interest from many ages, creeds etc and that name is a little offensive. I know you've used it for a while but hoped it would just dissapear (not you I hasten to add) with out me sticking my oar in (not something I do often) OK that's me for now. Back to Bristol...
Having been to Bristol quite a few times i always find its city center a very ugly and brutal place with occasional hints to how pretty it was, its only when you wander to the cathedral and Clifton areas that you see how beautiful a place it can be, especially Clifton which is a glorious place! It has to be said that their modern developments( with the literal exception of 1 or 2 developments) are dreadful, especially apartment development. I saw some really shocking buildings reminiscent of cheap apartment i saw in eastern Europe around the dock areas, with the whole area feeling grim and windswept (the weather didn't help!)
Bristol City Centre suffers from the the same problems as many cities that were heavily bombed in WW2 - cheap and rushed post-war reconstuction. It's gradualy being replaced but the main shopping area remains pretty charmless.
The areas around the Watershed and the Industrial Museum have been well redevloped but the millienial @Bristol development isn't aging well and there are some absolutely shocking office developments - particularly the sterile post-mordenist tat that is Lloyd's Bank building which squats on a key strategic site . Clifton is lovely but some of the inner city areas are a bit grim. Much like most places it's a bit of curate's egg.
I can't believe that no-one has mentioned the appeal of the wider Old City. This is a stunning example of a pre-industrial urban realm.
As someone who isn't 'local' to either city i.e. I wasn't born in either, being a Pembrokeshire lad originally (well, until the age of 8), and with a longish stint living abroad, I'd say they have as much in common as they do differences. In fact they probably have more in common with one another than they do with any other city in the world let alone the country; admittedly it's for rather superficial reasons though.
Or if you work in Cardiff ^^^
For me the main reason to visit a city center (other than to work) is to shop and go to restaurants/bars/clubs and these areas in Bristol are what let it down. Cardiff offers a great urban realm for shopping, dining and clubbing whereas in Bristol i personally felt like i was in islands of prettiness surrounded by some dreadful post war buildings. It almost seems as if the council are trying to bring Temple mead's into the city center through development rather than develop some post war dross. Personally i find Churchill way and Bute terrace quite interesting streets with relatively decent architecture bar 1 or 2 buildings. Ty point-y-hearn inst an attractive building but its not in your face ugly either.
Having lived in both Cardiff & Bristol, I can safely say that Cardiff wins every time.
The layout is far better, particularly the proximity of Central Station to the city. And I don't know what it is about Cardiff but it doesn't seem to have that grubby feel about it that other cities do.
Cathays is very grubby. A shame because Cathays Terrace/Salisbury Rd/Woodville Rd/Crwys Road could be a fairly decent 'alternative' alternative to the city centre with it's numerous pubs, bars, eateries, shops, the Sherman, the Students union, occasional pockets of decent Victorian architecture and it's young demographic.
It has stayed resolutely down at heel whereas for the most part the period housing and commercial premises in places like Canton and Roath are in a much better state of repair.
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