When is construction of the building going to begin?
Looking back through this thread, hasn't it been a case of 'starting soon' since August, 2009?
Greetings from sunny Dubai :)
I am starting to lose faith in this Bayscape project. :(
Confirmation in today's planning apps that there will be further delays. They've now asked for more time:
"APPLICATION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE RESERVED MATTERS SHALL BE MADE TO THE
LOCAL PLANNING AUTHORITY BEFORE THE EXPIRATION OF FOUR YEARS FROM THE DATE OF
Reading the documents it now says they want an extra year:
"The developer’s vision for the project has not changed since the scheme was conceived. However the economic climate has become considerably more demanding. Bayscape Ltd has been working hard to find a way to finance the project in despite these demands and so deliver substantial market and affordable housing and regeneration benefits for Cardiff.
An innovative solution has been agreed which involves funders, materials suppliers, guarantors and Willmott Dixon as main contractor. However, with so many parties involved, it has taken longer than expected to complete the legal documentation required before the agreement can be implemented. In turn, this has set back the design development programme. The proposed variation of condition 1C would allow one extra year for the submission of reserved matters in order to accommodate this delay."
Not sure when exactly they needed to confirm things before - so not clear when things start.
But maybe a mix of good and bad news? Delays = bad news. But the fact they are still plugging away means that we might see something like the original proposal here eventually?
I feel fairly confident we well see something eventually. I feel rather sorry for Christopher who's well-intentioned efforts to keep us up to date with the plans have rather back-fired on him. I think there are pretty clear signs around the city that the pace of development is picking up but I'm not sure that bringing Bayscape to the market at the same time as Cardiff Pointe would be a wise move.
I still think it's all going to happen. This is just buying them more time.
I don't know why I'm so positive about it, but it's just a feeling.
This is not a delay of a year but an extension to ensure we are not rushed in discharging reserved matters.
We see Cardiff Pointe positively. The various projects underway on the ISV are quite different in terms of their offering, value point and sizes. The completion of the area is good too. Indeed we are quietly progressing private invitation based sales of the residential before we go to market.
As the poster above cited, our funding is done so we are just deciding on when to go over the coming few months.
Happy 4th Birthday everyone.
30th August 2009 is when Bayscape Started, this thread that is!
Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you. Happy Birthday Dear Bayscape Thread
If Gail's post on the Cardiff Pointe thread "I understand that as of 2 weeks ago, 3 units have been sold and due to the waiting list for the £1m homes, the price of these may be increased to £1.5m." is correct then surely we can look forward to a start on the residential element of Bayscape. A finish in time for the threads coming of age.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Bayscape built. Yes, maybe now is a lot better than over the past four years.
What I (and others) have been critical about is the announce it 50 times and do it not attitude.
Even Nu Labour with their announce it ten time attitude, did at least do it once.
Remember, the UK has the highest combined public/private indebtedness ratio in the developed world. Housing developers and the rest of the housing vested interests seem intent on creating another housing bubble and leaving future generations to pick up the pieces.
Before everyone jumps on my case – received a pamphlet in the post this week regarding the “Cardiff Marina Residences”. While geared towards the impact of the build on boat owners it did state “Building work is scheduled to start in the final quarter of 2013. The construction of the apartments, the new marina facilities and the waterside bar/restaurant is expected to take 20 months to complete.” Even offered me as a valued customer an exclusive ‘off market’ deal ahead of the public launch of the flats.
apologies all, this is not an update...i'm just after information on whether anything is happening with this project. We were told that things would start in September (or was it the Autumn) and I am looking for some positive information if any exists.
There's a meeting with the boat owners early in November to explain the impact the build will have. Lots of yacht owners are looking to move to another marina as they will lose the slipway and maintenance yard. Cardiff Marina are pushing the yard behind Force4 on Penarth Road forgetting that all the low bridges will require masts be taken down to get to it - read not going to happen! But as of now, no activity observed on the site......
It's another glass needle. If it happens I will come back to Cardiff from Portishead and buy a pint for everyone on the forum..
A few points in response.
- Works commence in Q4 as outlined in the flyer. To be clear on timing I have long-since stated we would start when we felt the market was right. The logistics of works are now under the control of the contractor.
- The slipway will remain at the marina in the form of a new tracked trolley hoist in the same spot. Short-term periods out of the water will be allowed
- Long-term storage at Cardiff Marine Village will be accompanied by special offers, de-rigging, re-rigging and inspection and repairs for bertholders. CMG is acquiring an additional acre of land at the village and will in time build a further 120 dry stack spaces.
- The Bayscape phase 1 development will deliver a new marina management suite, bar restaurant, coffee lounge, retail spaces and high spec bertholder bathrooms. The plans for these will be presented during the bertholder meeting. The contractor will also be onhand to answer any questions.
Now it's Bayscape phase 1 "We will send out the flyers"
"To be clear on timing I have long-since stated we would start when we felt the market was right."
Read some you your old press releases, this is not what you said or were quoted as saying!!
Can we rename this thread; Cardiff Marina Extension.
"high spec bertholder bathrooms" "special offers"
I know we all love some news but this has become like a bad marketing e-mail.
Thank you for the update Christopher.
Will be interesting to know from the meeting, the deadline for boat owners to have to clear the area, and also the estimated duration of phase 1 development.
This Thread has gone quiet. Are there problems?
It looks like there may still be a small sign of life on this project:
As hopeful as we can be I think this is more to do with implementing a new river bus stop than anything to do with bayscape
nothing to report I'm afraid. I'm just adding comment that I think this project is dead in the water. We were told Q4 2013 that it would start and nothing has happened as of yet. I doubt anything will happen now in 2013 given the dates. Not only that the developer has been quick to comment on expected progress when others have doubted it would start but this time we have not heard anything at all. It is a shame as it did look a great development.
Going in 2014 - another year and still no progress. This project is dead in the water I think. Very sad :(
I noticed today that they've emptied the large shed and removed a number of stored things and trailors etc. Nothing like a good clear out to lift the spirits....
Drove past on the Penarth side of the river today and from my brief distant glimpse they appeared to be demolishing the shed/accomodation structure within the compound, close to the river.
They also still havent allowed any boats or trailers etc to be parked in the large area they cleared prior to test drilling. You would have thought if this was on long term hold that area would once again fill up with stored boats etc.
I know it is not the arrival of a piling rig but you never know!
I thought that when I ran past the site the other day. I have my doubts though, the developer usually informs us of progress but these days Christopher is quiet.
I thought I saw some movement there today then realised it was just a bloke collecting litter!
I thought Christopher. Made only a few posts since someone else made posts using his name. And those posts were kept short. Real shame really. Not often we get a developer willing to explain the ins and outs. especially on a project of this size.
Afraid i don't have any news, just wondering if anyone else had heard anything?
I walked past the site the other day and the shed has now gone, it also looks like a number of spotlights have been taken down, but more interestingly it looks like quite a few of the boats (and floating offices) have gone too. I counted 13 boats left, which sounds quite a few but there seemed to be alot more free space, compared to when I had previously been past. I wonder if its just the time of year to get boats back in the water, or if there is a date they are trying to clear the area by... I can but hope.
Unless it's a typo, the planning committee will be discussing planning application 13/00310/DCI (Bayscape phased development) at the meeting on Wednesday 12th March 2014.
(If link doesnt work, do a simple search for 13/00310/DCI and then look at Important Dates)
Even I'm struggling to be optimistic about this development anymore, but at least it may give some closure.
Information about Wednesday's planning meeting is available here.
Had a quick look through the Bayscape document, and seems the following is going to be discussed:
CARDIFFWALESMAP - FORUM